Aging Hipster Bottles

Eden Mylunsch

Eden Mylunsch
Granted, the title can be taken a couple of ways. Do geezers like me (who may or may-not have been hip before it was hip to be a hipster, daddy-o) change our palates over the years? Or am I thinking about putting away some of the kool-kids bottles to see how they turn out after a couple of years in the cellar.

At one in my drinking career, all I could afford was Zinfandel, but this was back when 1976 Ridge or Green & Red were $4 a bottle, two-thirds the price of the extravagance of a 1970 Louis Martini Special Selection or Charles Krug Vintage Select Cabernet (and that $2 difference was why I drank Zin rather than Cabernet). Back then I liked the froot and the implications of klassiness that I was drinking wine rather than Hamm’s lager, but I was in the process of developing my palate prior to when the influence of intrusive winemaking efforts or post-harvest hydration or any of the then-extraordinary points-attracting techniques that have since become de rigueur in modern-day California winemaking became the tale leading the dog (it’s became about the story rather than the wine in the early 1980s, dig?)

And you know, a lot of those wines seemed to have turned out real okay and drinkable down the road, with some on roads being longer than others. Mr. Kane was among the first in our immediate circle to realize that there’s gold in them thar (old Napa) hills, despite alcohol levels approaching 13%. They’re restrained and elegant and taste of Napa (or Sonoma) hillsides and valleys, and have turned into somewhat sedate versions of the what they once portended to be. And because it wasn’t Carlo Rossi or Thunderbird, I was cool because I drank California Boutique wines and a 1975 Freemark Abbey Bosché or Charlie Wagner-era Caymus was under $12 and worth it, and they were happy I was buying it so they wouldn’t have to plant nuts or string beans or whatever their parents were growing before they planted grapes.

But as you know, all bets are off nowadays and every dot.com genius and their sister are growing grapes and making “artisanal” wine “made in the vineyard” and creating brands and dynasties and the upshot is that wine isn’t what it once was. Some of it is better than it used to be and some of it is merely a beverage conveying alcohol and status. And as more money comes onto the scene and the boutiques are subsumed into the portfolios of lifestyle brands a vacuum was created with the lack of “honest wine,” resulting in a category to fill that vacuum, ergo: hipster wine.

I don’t think it’s been commodified enough yet for like, SGWS or RNDC to have a “hipster wine” designation on their self-reordering websites (do they even offer those wines in the first place?) but it’s a legit category at both on and off-premise, and one that has followers who will defend to their death their right to fall upon swords that the wine they like is the only true wine, the holy grail of the conscientious imbiber. And the collectors/drinkers of Burgundy, Bordeaux, and Barolo will say “a wine ain’t shit unless it evolves with age in the cellar” but today’s youthful wine drinker will say “live for the moment, carpe diem, kill ‘em all and let god sort ‘em out.”

And I’ve got lockers full of old shit and I really enjoy them; I like older wine (for the most part) but I’m also pretty interested in the new shit, where there are occasionally some dicey winemaking choices being made, but for the right reasons, by winemakers who are cognizant of their market demographic. I visited a hipster winery recently and was shocked, shocked I tell you! to find more than a hint of mouse on the finish of one of their wines. I brought this up to the winemaker, a UC Davis-trained sort of guy who’d worked at some of the most legendary wineries in Napa, and he said “it doesn’t matter my customers drink all this stuff within about 15 minutes of opening it, and besides, it’s not like they’ve been drinking great wine all their lives and know that there’s anything else out there. To them, this is what wine is supposed to taste like.” And y’know, that make sense. Just because it’s not what I’m used to drinking doesn’t mean that it’s bad, does it? Or maybe it is, but I’m fluent in Instagram and Facebook but TikTok doesn’t make sense to me. My bad.

But what happens when you do age the stuff the kids dig? I haven’t amassed much of it, certainly not enough to do any prognosticating on the topic, but I’ve opened a couple of what would be considered hipster wines recently and haven’t exactly been overwhelmed. Should I have even expected anything? Maybe not, but that’s my problem.

Tonight I tried the Domaine Partagé Gilles Berlioz Les Filles 2016 Chignin Bergeron that I’d remembered as brilliant on release voluptuous with plenty of acidity and it reminded me of the best of Bob Lindquist’s single-vineyard hillside Roussannes from his days at Qupé. Well, these days the wine is as flashy and opulent. It reminded me of apricot nectar (only clear) with some minerality. On its own it seemed like it’d seen better days, not bad nor uninteresting, but kind of like someone who buys everything offered by GOOP in an effort to remain relevant. But in my belief that CONTEXT MATTERS! I poured it alongside a vegan lentil soup I’d purchased at the local farmer’s market the other day from a woman who teaches the Yin yoga class I attend sporadically. She’s got tattoos and piercings and a shaved head but is a terrific yogi and her soup is really good. And paired with the soup (and some shuck-yourself favas on homemade sourdough with Bordier butter, it came into its place on the planet and was exceptional. Its flabbiness disappeared and everything came into focus and all became right with the world. I wouldn’t call it a remarkable wine experience, but it was enjoyable in that context, although on its own it would have been a travesty and waste of whatever it cost me.
Another recent experience went in the other direction. 2013 Romanaux Destezet Sainte EpineSainte Joseph was bloody awful, unless you’re a cat. Mousey enough to call out the health department to shut the joint down. And it’s not like it’s a new release or anything. Lou Amdur says that mouse goes away after a few years. There’s something about the chemistry that makes it dissipate after time in the cellar, but 10 years was enough. Maybe because he was the NKOTB he screwed something up, but the wine never opened up, never came around, and nothing was coaxed out of it even by the time the cheese course came around. And I’ve found a similar situation with more recent vintages of Souhaut’s Les Cessieux St Joseph. As the old saying goes, “fool me once, shame on you, fool me eleven+ times, shame on me.” But his La Sizeranne Gamay is beautiful on release and after a couple of years in storage. Maybe Gamay is his gift but Syrah his paycheck? I wanna believe, but yeesh, I coulda whored myself out and bought a bottle of La Mouline instead of a couple of bottles of Sainte Epine. And wtf is up with him making Merlot? Has anyone tasted it? Will it make me forget Petrus? Duckhorn at least?

There’s a place in the world for ideology wines, but maybe throw us a bone every once in awhile to keep us on the hunt. Have any of you experimented with aging some of these newfangled wines and felt like the investment of time and $$ has been worth it?

-Eden (inspired tonight by the RSD "Burning Love" rehearsal LP that may not have been the acme of his talent but it's pretty cool anyway, and available as "Elvis on Tour" on Apple Music if you'd like to be likewise inspired)
 
Reporting from the capital of hipster wine, Paris XI, I can say that overall quality generally has improved greatly over the last 4-5 years, although I'm not attracted to the producers you cite above.

There are problems too with (1) 2018-19-20 overall in France often being too ripe for my tastes and (2) the recent short vintages driving prices up -- not so bad here in France, but by the time the wines get to US shelves (not to mention restaurants) . . . .
 
Great post, as always, and I second all your emoti(c)ons. Yes, defects have become a badge of legitimacy, and if a wine shows none, the hipster suspects clandestine use of sulfur and wags a moralistic finger at the winemaker for being too competent. Luckily I'm not as sensitive as you to mouse, but all the several hipsters that I've aged and that had VA in their youth only show it more with ageing. Since VA, it has been guaranteed to me, does not increase in bottle over time, it can only be the waning of the primaries that makes it stand out more. So, to me, not much good happens when you age the stuff the kids dig.
 
Eden to the rescue again. Some early morning thoughts.

Let’s just face it. Most folks here, myself and you and you and you included, have seen too many solar cycles to be hip. Even hipsterism itself is a passé label “we” created a couple decades ago now; in truth, it probably died (or should have?) long ago. By contrast, the long ago, pre-hipster center part of our decades-old youth has returned and dominates, but it was not our role to recreate it or discover it anew or even comment on the follies of youthful trend lest we simply become what we were always destined to be—crotchety old folks saying “back in my day.” I guess it’s inevitable we all do that a little or a lot.

Still I admit I am curious about the bottles of Julien Guillot reds in my cellar—are they the crunchy vibrant goodness of their youth or the mousy mess that some of their stablemates have been since day one? I also have hope for the wonderfully refreshing Pineau D’Aunis from Ariane Lesné. Stability over days open suggests ageability yet to be seen. But overall my “hipster” bottles need a few more cycles for the experiments of aging them to reach their logical ends. And then there is the pile of Falkenstein wines cellared since the 2016s, which undergo some degree of reductive winemaking but without a boatload of added sulfur, and they are curiosities. So far so good opening bottles with just a bit of age on them. But ask me in ten years where we really are.

As for Souhaut, I never found the wines to be interesting enough young to want to invest in the cellaring process given other choices. So I guess I was spared any disappointment.
 
Yes, the whole discussion of wine hipsters reminds me of when academics talk about 'the cool kids' among us. I guess it's all relative!

But regardless of age, when hipster refers to things outside the cultural mainstream, but then natural wine and orange wine become buzzwords in all the Big Box stores, it's hard to know where things stand!

Souhaut certainly felt like 'new' hipster wine compared to other Northern Rhone options when I found him early in my wine journey. This was late 90s vintages in the early 00s. And I have great memories of deliciously fresh bottles. But then a few too many bad experiences and I stopped buying, never looking back.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
lest we simply become what we were always destined to be—crotchety old folks saying “back in my day.”

this will pass, it's his birthday today.

And then there is the pile of Falkenstein wines cellared since the 2016s, which undergo some degree of reductive winemaking but without a boatload of added sulfur, and they are curiosities. So far so good opening bottles with just a bit of age on them. But ask me in ten years where we really are.

if the pile includes Falkenstein's reds, you will have outdone most of the experiments out there
 
Hmm. I only discovered Souhaut a couple of years ago because of Callahan. I've been enjoying his Gamay and his Ardeche Syrah. The one time I tasted the St. Joseph, I liked that too, but at the tarif, there's was competition there. The wine has shown up on more than one DC Restaurant list, a few times, including at the Inn at Little Washington two years ago, so I don't think it can conceivably be hipster.
 
originally posted by Eden Mylunsch:
...today’s youthful wine drinker will say “live for the moment, carpe diem, kill ‘em all and let god sort ‘em out.”
The Latin phrase dates to 23 BC. Not youthful.
The kill-sort quote was deployed against the Cathars in 1209 AD. Not youthful.

I brought this up to the winemaker, a UC Davis-trained sort of guy who’d worked at some of the most legendary wineries in Napa, and he said “it doesn’t matter my customers drink all this stuff within about 15 minutes of opening it, and besides, it’s not like they’ve been drinking great wine all their lives and know that there’s anything else out there. To them, this is what wine is supposed to taste like.” And y’know, that make sense. Just because it’s not what I’m used to drinking doesn’t mean that it’s bad, does it?
Yes, it does. Also, the ignorance of the audience is not a defense for poor output by the producer.

It's exactly this sort of nonsense that gets us albums full of epic kazoo music and Mr. Softee jingle remixes.

There’s a place in the world for ideology wines, but maybe throw us a bone every once in awhile to keep us on the hunt.
Why should they, if you're only going to drink it all up in 15 minutes?
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Eden Mylunsch:
...today’s youthful wine drinker will say “live for the moment, carpe diem, kill ‘em all and let god sort ‘em out.”
The Latin phrase dates to 23 BC. Not youthful.
The kill-sort quote was deployed against the Cathars in 1209 AD. Not youthful.

Also attributed to Godfrey of Bouillon, the titular leader of the First Crusade. In 1099, after a long siege, his forces captured Jerusalem and then the massacre began. One of his knights asked him how to distinguish between the Jews and Muslims on the one hand, and the Christians on the other.....
 
originally posted by Eden Mylunsch: Aging Hipster Bottles Have any of you experimented with aging some of these newfangled wines

Eden, I enjoyed your posting. There is a lot there to synthesize even over a few days as I've been debating whether/what/how to reply. Still not sure how to respond.

I will say that I try to avoid "new fangled wines" and believe I'm doing so, but can't be certain I have as it's not clear to me exactly what falls under that definition.

Please keep the postings here coming.

. . . . . . Pete
 
I do like the Souhaut wines, the Souterrone quite a bit but I have had bottles of aged Grande Epine and the Syrah that I've liked quite a bit. I've certainly had some much more famous producer's St. Joseph that I thought showed much less St. Joseph, and much more the producer...Maybe it's time to open another bottle.

Speaking of hipster Gamay, I still have a bottle of Peyra SG Rouge. Anyone feel lucky?
 
I have a lot of these types of bottles in my cellar. Solely because I never got around to drinking them young. I plan to crack some of them and will add to the thread.

As for Falkenstein I have them back to the 80s, I would think you have nothing to worry about.
 
I may have a few of those still around. I was one of the first half dozen retail customers when Selection Massale started. I've managed to weed out nearly all of the the wines that weren't meant to age for any real length of time. In general, the ones that have stood the test of time were all from Jura. I just opened 2010 Vins de Pay de France-Comté rouge, Cavarodes and 2011 Le Feu, Belluard. Both were outstanding. 2010 St-Joseph from A La T“che, both Guillamy and Badel, have been really nice in the past year. I did sell my remaining bottles of Les Roches Chinon when the prices got ridiculous ($130-150/btl). Some bottles were a brett bomb and I'm fairly brett-tolerant.

Souhaut is too much of a crapshoot for my tastes. The girl with the curl in the middle of her forehead.
 
A La Tache was very St. Joseph. Still have a few. I also agree on the Les Roches brett bombs.

I've never had a bad bottle of Souhaut, TBH. Maybe I'm more hipster-tolerant than most?
 
A 2015 Jules Desjourneys Chénas "Le Jugement Dernier" today in a restaurant was very good (but short of being great). 90e in the restaurant, 49e later in the day in a store.
 
I've got a few remaining bottles of Pet Nat from SM. Jean decided early on that the Pet Nats smelled and tasted like beer to her, and that was enough of a turn-off that I haven't opened one since. Happy to ship them to any Pet Nat fans out there.

Mark Lipton
 
I never got anything close to a beer note with any Pet Nats from Saumon, Thibault, or Les Capriades. All that I drank were clean as a whistle.
 
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