Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
I've had some wonderful 2009 Guy Breton Morgons recently, the P'tit Max and the Vieilles Vignes, if you can find them for this dinner.
Bay Area June 13 or 14?
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I've had some wonderful 2009 Guy Breton Morgons recently, the P'tit Max and the Vieilles Vignes, if you can find them for this dinner.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
the first pair 14 past glory.
the second is certainly not ready for prime time, although some micro-oxygenation in the griffe makes it more accessible and fun.
14 past glory meaning they were best as grapes on the vine?!
I was telling Jim and Larry that I was a fan of 09 Foillard CdP when released. Yes it was big, but it was still recognizable. And it was fun. 15 and 18 were more difficult young, for me. Curious to see how the 09 is now. It's been years for me.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
Don't worry, Pavel. We'll have more 2009 Roilette if you visit in 10 years.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
and for you on the east coast as well!
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
Mark, will you be able to make it tomorrow?
Everett Bandman
Everett Bandman
Jim, you have room for 1 more. I have a 2009 Bouland Morgon Delys I can bring? I’m in Novato so need a time and Place if you have room.
Mark Anisman
Mark Anisman
i will not be able to attend. thank you for going the extra km...
Everett Bandman
Everett Bandman
Jim or Rahsaan, do you have room for 1 more. I have a 2009 Bouland Morgon Delys I can bring? I’m in Novato so need a time and Place if you have room.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
Dinner last night was wonderfully pleasant. My only complaint is that it wasn't long enough, but that's life, especially on a Tuesday night. The NYC contingent is lucky to have Rahsaan as a new member. It was also great to finally meet Everett. The problem with having two professors at the table is that we really need a series of dinners to dig into what they have to say.
As threatened, we mostly drank 2009 Beaujolais. Here's how it went, winewise:
2011 l'Anglore Tavel Vintage: I really adore these wines. Strawberry compote and minerality, but lifted and so lively. One of those life affirming wines, where you really feel the energy of the vine, vigneron, and place. Still has plenty of steam, though hard to see it improving.
2009 Foillard Morgon Corcelette: I usually think of the Corcelette as the redder fruited, lighter bodied wine as between Foillard's two Morgons. Not in 2009, at least with our bottles. This wine was far more darker fruited and reserved. My sense is not that the wine is tired, or that the fruit has dropped. My take is that the wine needs more time. It won't evolve into what I usually expect with this bottling, but I am optimistic that very nice days are ahead. For all this, still readily identifiable as Beaujolais. We didn't drink these blind, but I don't think I'd be in the Rhone or elsewhere with this wine if we had.
2009 Foillard Morgon Cote du Py: Much more open and giving than the Corcelette. More power and palate presence than most vintages (and I think of this as a pretty substantial wine generally), but does not cross the line into exaggeration. This bottle was really compelling. Again, time in hand, but whereas I think opening the Corcelette now is kind of missing the wine, opening a Py now is not. That said, I'm curious to see where this goes.
2009 Roilette Fleurie Cuvee Tardive: My second open, giving Roilette wine in a month! Not so unfurled as the 2016 a few weeks ago, but a bottle that was happy to be opened. Less palate weight than the Foillards, and much in the vein of what I expect from Roilette Tardive. Nothing dialed up to 11. The wine has an inner strength and substance, but that's not so unusual for this cuvee. I think BJ will be very happy with his two cases, and this wine should continue to drink well for at least a couple decades.
2009 Roilette Fleurie Griffe du Marquis: My understanding is that this is the same juice as the Tardive, with only the elevage different. There sure is a difference. I think this a step up from the Tardive, with more elegance and complexity. But the wine also clamped down pretty hard in the glass after just five minutes or so. Do not open now. But someday, you will be rewarded with a hell of a wine. Again, both Roilettes were clearly Beaujolais, and well within the domaine's norms.
2009 Bouland Morgon Les Delys: A late addition from Everett. I know that some on this board are not fans of this domaine (cough, Pavel, cough). I can see why. Stuck out substantially from Foillard and Roilette, and those wines themselves are quite different from each other. More rustic, more tannic, less fruit. I've been buying these wines because John Gilman is a staunch supporter and I trust in his view. But this bottle was grumpy. Blind, I don't think I'd be in Beaujolais. But that may say more about my conceptions of Beaujolais than this wine. I'm not selling my bottles, but I'm somewhat nonplussed. Everett took the rest of the bottle home, and I'm curious how it shows today.
Thanks again to Rahsaan for instigating the dinner, and to Larry and Everett for being such amiable companions. We hope to see more traveling Disorderlies in the Bay Area! We won't make you drink 2009 Beaujolais, but there are more bottles if you want to!
As threatened, we mostly drank 2009 Beaujolais. Here's how it went, winewise:
2011 l'Anglore Tavel Vintage: I really adore these wines. Strawberry compote and minerality, but lifted and so lively. One of those life affirming wines, where you really feel the energy of the vine, vigneron, and place. Still has plenty of steam, though hard to see it improving.
2009 Foillard Morgon Corcelette: I usually think of the Corcelette as the redder fruited, lighter bodied wine as between Foillard's two Morgons. Not in 2009, at least with our bottles. This wine was far more darker fruited and reserved. My sense is not that the wine is tired, or that the fruit has dropped. My take is that the wine needs more time. It won't evolve into what I usually expect with this bottling, but I am optimistic that very nice days are ahead. For all this, still readily identifiable as Beaujolais. We didn't drink these blind, but I don't think I'd be in the Rhone or elsewhere with this wine if we had.
2009 Foillard Morgon Cote du Py: Much more open and giving than the Corcelette. More power and palate presence than most vintages (and I think of this as a pretty substantial wine generally), but does not cross the line into exaggeration. This bottle was really compelling. Again, time in hand, but whereas I think opening the Corcelette now is kind of missing the wine, opening a Py now is not. That said, I'm curious to see where this goes.
2009 Roilette Fleurie Cuvee Tardive: My second open, giving Roilette wine in a month! Not so unfurled as the 2016 a few weeks ago, but a bottle that was happy to be opened. Less palate weight than the Foillards, and much in the vein of what I expect from Roilette Tardive. Nothing dialed up to 11. The wine has an inner strength and substance, but that's not so unusual for this cuvee. I think BJ will be very happy with his two cases, and this wine should continue to drink well for at least a couple decades.
2009 Roilette Fleurie Griffe du Marquis: My understanding is that this is the same juice as the Tardive, with only the elevage different. There sure is a difference. I think this a step up from the Tardive, with more elegance and complexity. But the wine also clamped down pretty hard in the glass after just five minutes or so. Do not open now. But someday, you will be rewarded with a hell of a wine. Again, both Roilettes were clearly Beaujolais, and well within the domaine's norms.
2009 Bouland Morgon Les Delys: A late addition from Everett. I know that some on this board are not fans of this domaine (cough, Pavel, cough). I can see why. Stuck out substantially from Foillard and Roilette, and those wines themselves are quite different from each other. More rustic, more tannic, less fruit. I've been buying these wines because John Gilman is a staunch supporter and I trust in his view. But this bottle was grumpy. Blind, I don't think I'd be in Beaujolais. But that may say more about my conceptions of Beaujolais than this wine. I'm not selling my bottles, but I'm somewhat nonplussed. Everett took the rest of the bottle home, and I'm curious how it shows today.
Thanks again to Rahsaan for instigating the dinner, and to Larry and Everett for being such amiable companions. We hope to see more traveling Disorderlies in the Bay Area! We won't make you drink 2009 Beaujolais, but there are more bottles if you want to!
Jim, thanks for the notes and the kind words. It was great to meet you and benefit from your logistical coordination.
As we discussed last night, I think there was broad agreement on the wines. I particularly enjoyed the l'Anglore, because it's not something I usually drink and it was so delicious. The Cote du Py was also a pleasure, in part because it's generally one of my favorite Beaujolais bottlings. But also because it showed so well. Very interesting indeed that the Corcelette was less in the zone. I don't drink it as often, so don't have a sense of its various stages. But presumably it showed well young, so this was just a phase?
Also agree on the Bouland. I probably would not have identified as Beaujolais either. And it reminded me why I never got into following the Bouland wines. But, it was definitely interesting to taste that Morgon interpretation!
Also funny because I can only imagine what 'civilians' would think when hearing a bunch of us complain about these 2009 Beaujolais wines not yet being ready.
As we discussed last night, I think there was broad agreement on the wines. I particularly enjoyed the l'Anglore, because it's not something I usually drink and it was so delicious. The Cote du Py was also a pleasure, in part because it's generally one of my favorite Beaujolais bottlings. But also because it showed so well. Very interesting indeed that the Corcelette was less in the zone. I don't drink it as often, so don't have a sense of its various stages. But presumably it showed well young, so this was just a phase?
Also agree on the Bouland. I probably would not have identified as Beaujolais either. And it reminded me why I never got into following the Bouland wines. But, it was definitely interesting to taste that Morgon interpretation!
Also funny because I can only imagine what 'civilians' would think when hearing a bunch of us complain about these 2009 Beaujolais wines not yet being ready.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
great!
it's just that we had it right after the '10 last summer, and by comparison it came across as monolithic (not to be confused with younger).
the '10 is a masterpiece
Larry Stein
Larry Stein
Yes, I can't really add to what Rahsaan and Jim said about the wines. The takeaway is that none of these were past their prime or even close to it.
Jim, I not only had two professors as my dining companions, but a lawyer to boot. Imagine how I felt...
Rahsaan, it was great to see you! I think we figured it's been well over 15 years.
Jim, I not only had two professors as my dining companions, but a lawyer to boot. Imagine how I felt...
Rahsaan, it was great to see you! I think we figured it's been well over 15 years.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
Much as I liked these 09s, if forced to choose, I'd go with 10 too. For Foillard as well as Roilette.
Everett Bandman
Everett Bandman
Jim your notes are similar to mine. Thanks for the invite and I enjoyed the tasting and camaraderie. I have the remainder of the Bouland sitting in the cellar for retasting tonight. I agree tasted blind I would not think this was a Beaujolais. I often find older Beaujolais seem more like pinot than gamay. Thanks for the remainder of the Corcelette and its the cellar right next to the Bouland for retasting.
Everett Bandman
Everett Bandman
The Bouland tasted after 48 hours in a wine squirrel decanter in my cellar was much more open and clearly a mature Beaujolais. The Corcelette peaked at 24 hours, but just in the recorked bottle Jim gave me. I’ve been using the wine squirrel for a few years now and I do believe it works to minimize oxidation. Anyone not familiar with it can see it on Amazon.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
That looks super cool. And a good and simple idea.