Prices, Prices, Prices

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Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
A thread for moaning about prices.

Just got an offer for P. Cotat 2022 Chavignol Rose at $70/btl. I guess it's not obscure any more.
 
OK, so it isn't obscure. Still, who is spending $70 for a bottle of rose at all, never mind for one that takes a decade to come around? There are great wines at better price points!
 
As I've mentioned before here, the upsurge in pricing is nicely incentivizing my desire to cut down on purchases of vins de garde. At 64, with a cellar full of wine that'll need drinking over the next 20 years, I have to question whether I should be cellaring any more wines that'll need 20+ years to reach maturity. I could always drink Cornas and Barolo young, I suppose, but that seems sub-optimal to me.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
As I've mentioned before here, the upsurge in pricing is nicely incentivizing my desire to cut down on purchases of vins de garde. At 64, with a cellar full of wine that'll need drinking over the next 20 years, I have to question whether I should be cellaring any more wines that'll need 20+ years to reach maturity. I could always drink Cornas and Barolo young, I suppose, but that seems sub-optimal to me.

Mark Lipton
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Ja, same boat here. I think I can essentially stop buying cellar-worthy wines, pace consumption of my present holdings, and fill any gaps with fun and playful purchases of wines to drink on short time-scales.

It baffles me how many wines I have that are 10-15 years old and still not ready to get into, in some cases far from ready. Opened a 2002 Clos de la Roche this week that required a 24-hour decant to be buvable. The 2005 Desvigns Javernieres is another case in point.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
...Opened a 2002 Clos de la Roche this week that required a 24-hour decant to be buvable.
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Ouch.

On the bright side, now you know for the next bottle. But it depends how many more bottles you have...
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Agreed, M'k, but there are wines from vin de garde makers that can be drunk young, and their prices are out of sight, too.
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Personal frustration rant: There are indeed plenty of less-spendy-but-still-not-cheap Rossos and Langhe Nebbiolos, and even plenty of how-did-these-become-weekday-unaffordable Beaujolais and Cab Franc out of the Loire, for example. But to a wine, they have all been far more satisfying and delicious to my palate after they have had 3-5 years in the cellar. Requiring an ever growing space for storage of a ready and gratifying supply of now-I-have-to-feel-guilty-about-drinking-this vins de table.

If that's not a first world bitch, I may not have heard one.
 
I see lots of new Beaujolais bottles in my marketplace so there's always something gamay to try. Recently I've been drinking Dom. de la Grosse Pierre, from Chiroubles, for example.

But inexpensive nebbiolo is hard to find, and inexpensive Loire cab franc that suits me is hard to find, too.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
I see lots of new Beaujolais bottles in my marketplace so there's always something gamay to try. Recently I've been drinking Dom. de la Grosse Pierre, from Chiroubles, for example.

But inexpensive nebbiolo is hard to find, and inexpensive Loire cab franc that suits me is hard to find, too.
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The Langhe Nebbiolos from Principiano (especially) and Giuila Negri are less pricey and worth looking into, imo.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:


But inexpensive nebbiolo is hard to find, and inexpensive Loire cab franc that suits me is hard to find, too.
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It is probably easier to find than, say, good, inexpensive northern rhône syrah. But Colline Novaresi (ioppa is about $12 here), Coste della Sesia, and Valtellina rosso are three examples of relatively cheap nebbiolo. Roero can be much cheaper than a Langhe rosso, as well. (Also Piantagrossa 396 Nebbiolo from Valle d'Aosta should be around $30 - young vines in stainless.) Anyway, the wines are definitely out there.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
But inexpensive nebbiolo is hard to find, and inexpensive Loire cab franc that suits me is hard to find, too.
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Vajra JC Clare is a quite joyful bottle of Nebbiolo for still under $20 in my market.
 
The Ugo Lequio and Cascina Sot that Lyle sells are both nice (lequio more than nice, imho) and in the 20s. Trediberri also, although the 21 was a bit ripe. And there are others in that price range, that seem to be quite nice with homemade pizza.
 
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