The Burgundies I Drink

originally posted by MLipton:
Well, spurred by this discussion, I opened the ‘10 Narbantons with dinner (roast duck, shiitakes sautéed with shallots and a sweet potato mash) tonight and it was singing. Totally resolved tannins, yet great palate presence. Dark cherry, sous bois and earth were the dominant flavors/aromas. I can only imagine how much more complex the Dominode must be.

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I don't know - every time I let my flock of ducks loose in La Dominode, they always end up rolling down the hill to Les Narbantons.
 
originally posted by MLipton:

Well, spurred by this discussion, I opened the ‘10 Narbantons with dinner (roast duck, shiitakes sautéed with shallots and a sweet potato mash) tonight and it was singing. Totally resolved tannins, yet great palate presence. Dark cherry, sous bois and earth were the dominant flavors/aromas. I can only imagine how much more complex the Dominode must be.
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Sounds great, glad it worked out well. I'm far from an expert on the Pavelot wines. But after these recent bottles, I wouldn't say Dominode is all that different, they are definitely siblings. I just found it a bit more interesting for the same price. Of course the Narbantons no longer exists, so it doesn't matter for anyone's future purchases!
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Dominode v. DemimondeHappen to have a single 2009 waiting in the wings. Will take one for the team.
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The sensations were that it was earthy, elegant, and balanced. Fully resolved and on the cusp of tertiaries. Fine without being expressive, deep without being complex. Not singing; closer to declaiming. All-in-all, a satisfying tipple of Burg, but without much in the way of oomph or joy.

Fake apologies for not providing an unequivocal narrative.
 
Fake forgiveness, Oswaldo.

I'm drinking my way through a bottle of Haut Bailly 2002 now, which will take a couple of days, but then will pivot to a half of Pavelot 2010. After that, I'll toss my two cents' worth in with the others here. My impression of this wine hitherto has been to give it ample time.

I'll have to reflect on the value of an unequivocal narrative.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:

That all makes sense. I have been trying to find excuses to open 2014 wines, as a potentially approachable vintage. For Boillot, I have Evocelles and Brouillards, so will probably wait longer, especially after your note.
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I drank 2014 Grands Liards Camus-Bruchon tonight. Served blind. I have a particular (and a well documented!) affinity for the producer, and especially for ancient-vined Pimentiers and Grands Liards, but I can't recall a recent occasion when I was as clueless. As with Boillot I just could not compute the relative evolution of fruit and structural elements, let alone the colour. Better to wait.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Fake forgiveness, Oswaldo.

I'm drinking my way through a bottle of Haut Bailly 2002 now, which will take a couple of days, but then will pivot to a half of Pavelot 2010. After that, I'll toss my two cents' worth in with the others here. My impression of this wine hitherto has been to give it ample time.

I'll have to reflect on the value of an unequivocal narrative.
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From half bottle, the first glass, night one, was surprisingly enjoyable (no notes, unfortunately), given how forbiddingly this wine has presented in my prior trys. Good, round, 1er SlB, albeit with a heavy structure of drying tannins, but performing the essential function of good red Burgundy, which is to make the drinker feel good about the world and being alive in general.

The second glass, night 2, was dominated by the tannins, which smothered whatever traces of fruit might still have lurked. Subscribing to Maureen's idea that red Burgundies may present multiple periods of openness, I suspect this wine will continue to evolve favorably for some time yet and, is now giving just an early peak at its potential now.

I'm drinking a 2009 Pavelot Pernand-Vergelesses 1er les Vergelesses today, which is lovely, with an ample pre-airing.
 
I suppose it's all in personal tastes (and bottles). I had another duo of 2009 and 2010 Pavelot Dominode this weekend and was more or less consistent with the two bottles from September. The 09 was more into the structure, with rustic Savigny flavors that didn't necessarily form the most attractive package. Maybe it will go somewhere in the future. The 10 was perfect for my tastes, harmonious but still discernibly Cote de Beaune red wine. Not sure I would want to age it any longer. But, tastes (and bottles) vary.
 
Did you finish the 2010 in one night? Did you drink it with a meal or on its own?

The reputation of the '10s as a vintage, in my recall, is of wines unusually charming in youth and not necessarily expected to last for ages in the cellar. I've been surprised by how shut down this wine has seemed from 375 up till now, and it wouldn't shock me to learn that they're really as good now as they will ever get. Still, Dominode ... usually has legs.

I'm trying to find my 2011 Dominode bottles so I can compare one. These should be ready to drink before the '10s, methinks. I'd forgotten that they're already 12 years old now - time flies, even when you're not having fun.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Did you finish the 2010 in one night? Did you drink it with a meal or on its own?
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Both bottles of 2010 Dominode were drunk over 4-5 hours before, during and a bit after dinner. Very nice with food, not the kind of wine I would enjoy the next day. For my tastes, already plenty evolved. Although if you dig extra-tertiary wine, I suppose it can always evolve further!
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

The reputation of the '10s as a vintage, in my recall, is of wines unusually charming in youth and not necessarily expected to last for ages in the cellar.
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I've never heard that! That doesn't of course preclude its being true :-)

They just had such great balance early on, but I never had the urge to pull corks irresponsibly, as I have e.g. with the 2017 reds and probably (hypothetically) would have with the 1985s.

Anecdotally, I've not checked up on any recently but a couple of years ago they were unquestionably all over the place in terms of evolution. I think my most embarrassing moment was being blinded with 2010 Follin-Arbelet Chapitre and guessing just about every backward/unevolved vintage I could think of by reputation, except 2010.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

The reputation of the '10s as a vintage, in my recall, is of wines unusually charming in youth and not necessarily expected to last for ages in the cellar.
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I think you misremember. Or you were not well-informed. 2010 reds were “charming”:when young because of the beautiful tannins (due I believe to a growing condition that resulted in a lower than usual ratio of pips to fruit - or something like that) and balance of the wines. But it is an outstanding vintage that will age well and the open then shut then open then perhaps shut again evolution of the fruit will occur (I suspect), but for the most part will seem quite attractive for years.

Over the past few months (since June), Ihave drunk the following 2010s from my cellar (in reverse chronological order):

Dublère Volnay 1er Cru Taillepieds - verly lovely and open. No rush but this has been drinking very well for years.

Mugnier Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Clos de la Maréchale - smelled great when decanted but quite shut down later.

Drouhin Chambolle-Musigny 1er Cru Les Baudes - decanted a couple of hours before to blow off stink. Quite approachable and ready to go (although no rush)

Drouhin Beaune 1er Cru Clos des Mouches - paired with above and same decanting process as I was taking them to a friend’s house for dinner. Really quite tasty but half of each left and wasted - drinking with lightweights!

Grivot Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Pruliers - this is just a really lovely wine. I had it from a friend’s cellar and went on the hunt. Very fragrant and lacey in texture (from stems I believe), pretty pretty.

Domaine Stephane Magnien Chambolle-Musigny 1er Cru Les Sentiers - another wine that has shown well every time (previously in 10/21, 10/18 and 12/17).

Fourrier Gevrey-Chambertin Vieille Vigne - my note says: Lovely. In a very good place.

None of these wines showed any sign of being close to the end of their ascendency- well, perhaps the Baudes has finished its developmemt - and only the Mugnier, which was lovely and open in 10/18, was shut down.
 
All sounds good to me. I can't claim to have a fraction of the expertise of others here. But aside from this half case of Pavelots that I recently purchased from CSW, and seemed perfectly mature to my tastes, I'm not drinking any of other 2010s that I've owned for years. So it's nice to see Maureen's notes. Although I fear the ones I own are more backwards.
 
originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

The reputation of the '10s as a vintage, in my recall, is of wines unusually charming in youth and not necessarily expected to last for ages in the cellar.
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I think you misremember. Or you were not well-informed. 2010 reds were “charming”:when young because of the beautiful tannins (due I believe to a growing condition that resulted in a lower than usual ratio of pips to fruit - or something like that) and balance of the wines. But it is an outstanding vintage that will age well and the open then shut then open then perhaps shut again evolution of the fruit will occur (I suspect), but for the most part will seem quite attractive for years.

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I think I just lack your depth of understanding. Anyway, I haven't been in a hurry to dig into my 2010s and won't be in one going forward, including the Pavelot Dominode.

Good to see your note on the Dublere Taillepied, BTW.
 
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