Cheap crap hommage

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Would it be a nice thing to have a Cheap Crap thread? I never knew Chris but definitely got a kick out of his writing. I would love to know about good cheap stuff folks are finding. I vaguely think we tried this before, but regardless here's a note:

'22 Sainte Celine Chablis from Trader Joe's $16. Clearly a badge engineered Brocard. Note on back says single vineyard, indigenous yeast, stainless raised...I typically prefer this to their Sainte Clair cuvee. Brocard is definitely an underappreciated domaine - while this is no Picq, it's quite good. We go through a case or two each year.
 
2022 Saladini Pilastri, Falerio - a blend of Trebbiano, Chardonnay, Passerina and Pecorino from vines about 20 years old. Light bodied wine with ripe pear tones, some citrus and quite crisp in the mouth. Nice complexity, too. Pretty impressive. 13.5% abv.
About $13, retail, at Total Wine.

2022 Weissenkirchen, Gruner Veltliner Federspiel - true to variety aromatically and in the mouth, mid-weight, nicely crisp and some complexity. Overall a lively, fresh Gruner but not for aging. Screwcap. 12% abv.
About $12, retail, at Total Wine.
(I also tried the Smaragd which I found misshapen and cloying.)

Both of the above were also good in the 2021 vintage.
We go through a case or more of each a year.

And thanks for the Chablis note; I’ll give it a try.
 
Kirkland (Costco) Champagne Brut 12% ABV. Made in Verzenay by Manuel Janisson. Blend of Pinot Meunier, Pinot Noir and Chard.
Surprisingly good at about $20/bottle. A bit rich on the palate , pleasant bitterness, citrus, apple. notes.
We've been through a couple cases of this and have kinda of made it our house bubbly.
 
I wine I always try to turn people onto is the Kimich Deidesheimer Herrgottsacker Riesling Kabinett Trocken. It is currently $14 at Astor. It is a liter so $10.50 per 750. And when they have their big sales you can sometimes get this for $8 per 750! It is always good and in some vintages very good. Definitely for acid lovers.

Kimich Kabinett Trocken

Hild Elbling is another German steal that can be found for around $15.
 
Casa Alle Vacche Vernaccia di San Gimignano is extremely food-friendly, useful, and delicious juice. It lists at $15 but I've paid around $12 for it over time. If you value Italian whites for their oily texture and pairing range, this is a great qpr for ticking that box. One thing I should note though is that in particularly balanced years weather-wise such as 2017 and 2019, the wine raises expectations somewhat unreasonably :-)
 
Jadot Beaujolais-Villages, $12 at Trader Joe's. I am not a fan at all of their cru cuvees, but have always liked this one. Apparently vinified Burgundian-style, but tastes to me more like "normal" good Beaujolais, vs their crus. Somewhat darker toned and a bit muscular. Well made. Perfect with chicken sausage and roast brocollini last night.
 
What’s “cheap”? Under $20?

And what is “crap”? Do we mean gems that you can find in chain grocery stores (like Trader Joe’s).

I can get Tiberio Trebbiano and Cerasuolo and La Pepie for under $20, but my sense is, they really don’t fall under the “crap” category (that is, they aren't really surprising, unexpected gems -- their quality is pretty well established).
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
originally posted by BJ:
Not sure Chris ever defined it.


It's actually kind of astounding we can still find "cheap crap" today for about the same price as back in 2008.
Maybe but . . .
The wine market seems to be volatile, ever shifting and, often times, unreadable. But big names command . . .
So if you bottom feed and find value you’re not the first or the only one. And if you taste with only yourself and your loved ones in mind, have some confidence in what you’re doing and know the tastes of your crew, there is a “boatload” of good wine out there that will never get mentioned in the current literature.
Thankfully.
Drink what you love . . . pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
So if you bottom feed and find value you’re not the first or the only one. And if you taste with only yourself and your loved ones in mind, have some confidence in what you’re doing and know the tastes of your crew, there is a “boatload” of good wine out there that will never get mentioned in the current literature.
If you mean that nowadays quality is very good even for low-priced goods, I agree. My local shop has one, count 'em, one picpoul de pinet at $14 but it's varietally correct, zippy, and just plain-old tasty with any fish or shellfish (think: muscadet with a little pineapple in it).
 
2018 Principiano Langhe Nebbiolo 13.5% is a delightfully nebbiolesque experience for under 20 Europeans, at least on this side of the pondicherry (in non-monopoly countries).
 
BJ,
Tried the Chablis tonight.
Going back for a case in the morning.
Many thanks.

What does “a badge engineered Brocard” mean?
 
"Badge engineering" is an automotive industry term - when one manufacturer gets a vehicle from another and badges it as their own.

This is almost for sure JM Brocard - green capsule exactly the same, same type of label, same village, same style, and I see with a little Googling it lists Brocard's producer number: EMB-89068.

I am curious about other such wines lurking on the TJ's shelves (I do know Costco has some decent rebadged stuff). My fave is Finlaggan, a dirt cheap, young, raw, excellent Islay Malt that the webs speculate endlessly about as to its source.
 
originally posted by BJ:
"Badge engineering" is an automotive industry term - when one manufacturer gets a vehicle from another and badges it as their own.

This is almost for sure JM Brocard - green capsule exactly the same, same type of label, same village, same style, and I see with a little Googling it lists Brocard's producer number: EMB-89068.

I am curious about other such wines lurking on the TJ's shelves (I do know Costco has some decent rebadged stuff). My fave is Finlaggan, a dirt cheap, young, raw, excellent Islay Malt that the webs speculate endlessly about as to its source.

Cosco and Brocard:

 
A Wine Columnist Walks Into a Costco—and Finds the Bottles Worth Buying
To consistently make wines of quality priced in the single digits is no small feat. After tasting her way through Costco’s Kirkland Signature wines and tracking down the talent behind them, our wine columnist offers this can’t-miss shopping list.

BIG VALUE At Costco, our wine columnist found wines of real quality at unlikely prices. She tracked down the winemakers and the rest of the team involved to find out how they do it.

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March 8, 2024 at 1:45 pm ET

HOW DO YOU make a wine that’s both cheap and good? “Razor-thin margins” are the words I heard over and over recently as I talked to the talent behind Costco’s Kirkland Signature wines.

Founded in 1983, Costco began producing its Kirkland Signature wines a couple of decades ago. The first two wines, an Australian Shiraz and an Alexander Valley Cabernet Sauvignon, debuted in 2003 with just 206 cases in total produced.

A Champagne soon followed. The work of winemaker Manuel Janisson for the past 20 years, the Kirkland Signature Brut Champagne is a soft, appealing blend of Pinot Noir, Pinot Meunier and Chardonnay. It sells for $19.99 a bottle—astonishingly cheap for a real Champagne from the Champagne region of France.

I said as much to DC Flynt, of MACH Flynt Inc./DC Flynt MW Selections, who imports the Costco Champagne and sells it to distributors—among many other wines, including other Kirkland bottlings—from his base in Louisiana. “Costco works on extremely tight margins,” Flynt explained.

Savings Begin at the Vineyard

Unlike big Champagne houses that spend big money on marketing, Costco doesn’t market its own-label wines. Flynt further cited the “stable” availability of Champagne grapes due to long-term growing contracts held by Janisson, who makes 150,000 cases of Kirkland Champagne annually, and COGEVI, the cooperative Janisson is part of.

Flynt imported Janisson’s own Champagne Janisson & Fils for years before the creation of the Kirkland Champagne. The importer described his role as “a liaison” between Costco and winemakers and wineries, helping to develop and distribute Kirkland wines and also tasting sample wines before the final wine is determined with members of the Costco corporate wine-buying team.

To find her top bottles, our wine columnist tasted her way through the current selection at Costco—which is vast. See, for instance, this Costco store in Kyle, Texas, photographed on its opening day in March 2023.

Longstanding Relationships With Winemakers

Lee has made the Kirkland Ti Point Sauvignon Blanc for more than 10 years. His 2023 Kirkland Signature Marlborough New Zealand Ti Point Sauvignon Blanc ($7.49), an easy-drinking Kiwi that’s easily the equal of peers that cost three times as much, impressed me with its zesty, zippy character.

Glenn Hugo of Girard Winery in Calistoga, Calif., is another winemaker who works with Flynt in the production of Kirkland Signature wines. Hugo produced his first Kirkland wine in 2010 and has since turned out an array of wines for Costco while keeping his day job. At Girard, Hugo makes wines that cost many multiples of their Kirkland counterparts. The 2021 Girard Rutherford Napa Valley Cabernet costs $120, for example; the Kirkland Signature Rutherford Cabernet, $18.99. He finds satisfaction in producing wines at both ends of the spectrum.

Hugo is also the talent behind the 2022 Kirkland Signature Russian River Valley Sonoma County Pinot Noir ($11.99). Although this was Hugo’s first vintage, this Pinot has been in the Kirkland lineup for 10 years, growing from an initial production of 15,000 cases to 120,000 cases today. It’s a pleasant red with real Pinot character, marked by crisp red fruit. Its gentle notes of oak come from aging six to seven months in tanks with French oak staves. (At $1,000 or so apiece, new French oak barrels are too pricey for the production of a $12 wine.)

A Unique Collaboration

As with all Kirkland Signature wines, the Russian River Pinot Noir is a collaboration between the winemaker, the Costco wine team and an importer and/or wholesaler/broker (in this case, Flynt). Prior to bottling, Hugo sends Flynt and several Washington state-based members of the Costco team several samples, which they taste and discuss over Zoom. This usually happens a couple of times before the final blend is determined, said Hugo. (Before the pandemic, the team often met in person in California.)

The 2021 Kirkland Signature Premier Cru Chablis ($18.99) is made by Pierre Brissy of the highly regarded Domaine Jean-Marc Brocard, with fruit from Premier Cru vineyards (Vaillons, Vau Ligneau, Montmains, Mont de Milieu, Les Fourneaux, Vosgros).

Released in late fall/early winter, the Chablis, now sold out, is one of many seasonal offerings from Costco, available for just a few months. A rosé is due to appear in stores in April. According to a MISA spokesperson, that wine, produced in much larger quantities than the Chablis, should be around a while.

A winter release that can still be found in some stores, the 2021 Kirkland Sonoma Old Vine Zinfandel ($9.99) was made by Zach Long and produced at Vintage Wine Estates. He noted that this lush wine comes from many of the same old-vine vineyards as Zinfandels that cost several times its price.

Not all the Kirkland Signature wines I bought impressed me, of course. But, overall, I give lots of credit to Costco for its rigorous attention to both quality and price—and for knowing the wines that their customers like. Aside from the Kirkland Chablis, which I shared with self-confessed wine snobs, I tasted most of the wines with friends who like wine but consider it an adjunct to the meal. Not all of them were Costco shoppers, but the wines we tasted might have inspired a few to apply for membership.

OENOFILE / The Kirkland Signature Wines to Buy at Costco

1. 2021 Kirkland Signature Bordeaux Superieur, $6.89. Some 75,000 cases are produced annually of this soft, attractive Cabernet-Merlot blend, a joint effort of Vignobles Gonfrier in Bordeaux, Dallas-based importer MISA and the Costco wine-buying team.

2. 2023 Kirkland Signature Marlborough New Zealand Ti Point Sauvignon Blanc, $7.49. A zesty, zippy, easy-drinking Kiwi Sauvignon Blanc “on par with brands that sell for three times the price,” said winemaker Jeff Lee. Indeed, a very good deal for the price.

3. Kirkland Signature Brut Champagne, $19.99. Produced for the past 20 years by the same winemaker, a member of the oldest cooperative in Champagne, this pleasantly soft, rather round and fruity Champagne is an appealing drink—and rather stylishly packaged, to boot.

4. 2022 Kirkland Signature Russian River Valley Sonoma County Pinot Noir, $11.99. This pretty, bright-red, cherry-inflected red with notes of vanilla and spice is sourced from a wide variety of vineyards across Sonoma’s Russian River Valley by winemaker Glenn Hugo.

5. 2021 Kirkland Signature Old Vine Sonoma Zinfandel, $9.99. This lush, ripe (but not too ripe) Zinfandel is made from vines with an average age of 45 years according to winemaker Zach Long. A seasonal release, but with 50,000 cases in production, it’s still widely available.
 
Well, I knew Chris, and maybe he was no Hugh Johnson, but he was still pretty thought provoking and a little prescient. Even if Coad wasn't the world's foremost wine authority (but I did hear that Professor Irwin Corey would dip into the vino from time to time) Chris still knew his ass from a hole in the ground when it came to wine and people and was more entertaining to read than either Mr. Johnson or Professor Corey. I not only enjoyed reading about the boat loads of cheap crap that Chris would dredge up, but I learned a lot from the experience.

I find most of my cheap crap at Grocery Outlet. Most of the wines they have there are kinda crappy supermarket wines that didn't quite cut it out in the big world but some wines you can just tell come from distributors whose relationship with the producer has gone sour (or gone belly-up) or someone had too much wine in the warehouse and the new vintage coming in right away so they just ship it off to somewhere that their usual clientele won’t stumble across it. Recent finds have included Mazzei Fonterutoli Chianti Classico for $7, some oddball Rosenthal releases from Bourgueil and Ventoux ($6), 375s of BV’s Muscat de Beaulieu for $4, and Juve & Camps Cava for $6 (for magnums!)

Sure, there are times when you swing by and it’s all sub-plonk second labels of second label wineries, but if one knows what one is doing (and this one does) it can be a worthwhile shopping experience. And not unlike tracking things down from the Target designer collaborations, not everything shows up at each of the stores, so oftentimes you find bottles in one outlet that the others didn’t have. There are also some good booze deals sprinkled throughout the different stores, not to mention cool artisanal bacon, pasta, potato chips, and closeout Pellegrino and CBD drinks. Grocery outlet is worth checking out if you’re near one. But watch out for the stock (GO). I bought big (for me) and lost big. At least I at least recouped some of my investment by saving a ton of money on wine there.

-Eden (Other than buying Apple and Target early, I’m not particularly good at that stock market stuff because I buy stock in companies whose products I like. Kind of similar to buying wine I buy wines I want to drink, rather than Burgundy that’d make sense as an investment)
 
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