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. . . . . Pete
 
Tom, definitely true. The Coche-Dury Bourgogne Rouge '12 was one of the highlights.

If you have had it recently, I'd be curious as to your thoughts on it.

. . . . . . Pete
 
I've not had a Coche Bourgogne rouge for ages but I used to love it(much more than I did the white, which was merely perfectly nice), a perfect model of how to take full advantage of a not particularly gifted terroir by not trying to get too much out of it. I am told that the red wines are made slightly more ambitiously now.
 
OK, I'll bite. Current Coche-Dury Bourgogne Rouges are priced $200-300+; for Bourgogne Rouge. So is it better than Angerville Volnay 1re crus, Chevillon NSG 1re crus, de Montille Pommard 1re crus, that cost the same or less? Better than having two to three bottles of Jadot Beaune 1re crus or 3-5 bottles of top Oregon Pinot Noir?

I'm trying to comprehend the Coche pricing madness.
 
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
OK, I'll bite. Current Coche-Dury Bourgogne Rouges are priced $200-300+; for Bourgogne Rouge. So is it better than Angerville Volnay 1re crus, Chevillon NSG 1re crus, de Montille Pommard 1re crus, that cost the same or less?
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Not better at all, but it does, or did, have a rather special atmosphere. It is in general pointless to think of financial comparators and it probably doesn't make sense to buy this wine unless one has access to a price reflecting the ex-domaine cost, which used to be vanishingly low.
 
Christian, as I enjoyed the Coche, I remarked (maybe more than once) that it was comparable with excellent 1er crus.

. . . . . Pete
 
“It is in general pointless to think of financial comparators . . .”

In a vacuum, I agree.
But I think about it often when spending what is my limited wine budget. And I have made it paramount in that spending, to find quality wines at lesser prices.
However, it is also true that as I get older, I buy wines that don’t need much aging; and those are often less expensive.
‘Works for me.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
“It is in general pointless to think of financial comparators . . .”

In a vacuum, I agree.
But I think about it often when spending what is my limited wine budget. And I have made it paramount in that spending, to find quality wines at lesser prices.
However, it is also true that as I get older, I buy wines that don’t need much aging; and those are often less expensive.
‘Works for me.
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I'm thinking of the drinking rather than the purchasing perspective, Jim!
 
originally posted by Tom Blach:
I've not had a Coche Bourgogne rouge for ages but I used to love it(much more than I did the white, which was merely perfectly nice), a perfect model of how to take full advantage of a not particularly gifted terroir by not trying to get too much out of it.
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this.

just had 96 mothelie rouge and it fits the description as well - pure, irresistible, no bullshit
 
originally posted by Odd Rydland:
Re ex domaine for Coche-Dury. I had their Volnay PC 2014 for 100 USD at a restaurant in Chablis in 2018.
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Until recently, one could find the Coche-Dury reds in some Paris restaurants for very little money. Their prices have gone up maybe 80-100%, but they are still quite cheap compared to the secondary market.
 
originally posted by Tom Blach:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
“It is in general pointless to think of financial comparators . . .”

In a vacuum, I agree.
But I think about it often when spending what is my limited wine budget. And I have made it paramount in that spending, to find quality wines at lesser prices.
However, it is also true that as I get older, I buy wines that don’t need much aging; and those are often less expensive.
‘Works for me.
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I'm thinking of the drinking rather than the purchasing perspective, Jim!
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Yes.
But no buying no drinking - unless you have really good friends. Really good . . .
 
I have a vague memory of drinking a Coche Bourgogne rouge with the Mme at a country restaurant round about Ladoix a quarter century or so ago. It was one of those breathtaking wines that pulled me in and made me the wine geek I am today.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm: ]Until recently, one could find the Coche-Dury reds in some Paris restaurants for very little money. Their prices have gone up maybe 80-100%, but they are still quite cheap compared to the secondary market.
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Online ads for Coche-Dury Bougogne Rouge show prices ranging from high $200s to high $300s.

As much as I like the wine, the pricing is NOT appealing.

. . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
originally posted by Tom Blach:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
“It is in general pointless to think of financial comparators . . .”

In a vacuum, I agree.
But I think about it often when spending what is my limited wine budget. And I have made it paramount in that spending, to find quality wines at lesser prices.
However, it is also true that as I get older, I buy wines that don’t need much aging; and those are often less expensive.
‘Works for me.
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I'm thinking of the drinking rather than the purchasing perspective, Jim!
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Yes.
But no buying no drinking - unless you have really good friends. Really good . . .
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I have the great good fortune to have very good friends!
 
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