the new what did u drink tonite thread

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Last night a bottle of 2011 Tempier Rosé blew me to smithereens, making it impossible not to enter hyperbole-superbowl territory...
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Great when that happens. I don't have much experience with Tempier but I have enjoyed aged Rosé that seemed to please beyond its expected potential.
 
I think aging rose is a fine thing to do, but this sounds beyond - nice!

I once got a ton of old Trinquevedel rose, details lost in history - but wow was it good. All dried flowers, delicate.
 
Seems like a message - a hard day of earthwork, lots of driving loads of dirt and drainage rock. Opened a Bart Marsannay rose, long 5 year Diam.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Last night a bottle of 2011 Tempier Rosé blew me to smithereens, making it impossible not to enter hyperbole-superbowl territory.
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Damn. I am familiar with that rare life-altering aged rose experience, but have never taken the time to experiment with this specimen. Perhaps a friend will bail me out one of these days.

Afterwards, a 2011 Mugnier Maréchale did its job pretty well, but was a pale fire by comparison, without the lusty lustre that might have given it a chance in this company.
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yeah well, overrated upon reflection; had the '10 two weeks ago and while nice not special.
after being caught in the gravitational field of the fatschloss in july, i was sucked into a glass of the '91 (faiveley version from the same plot) and upon emerging four hours later declared it superior.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

Afterwards, a 2011 Mugnier Maréchale did its job pretty well, but was a pale fire by comparison, without the lusty lustre that might have given it a chance in this company.
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yeah well, overrated upon reflection; had the '10 two weeks ago and while nice not special.
after being caught in the gravitational field of the fatschloss in july, i was sucked into a glass of the '91 (faiveley version from the same plot) and upon emerging four hours later declared it superior.
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Helpful, because I've been toying with the idea of selling my (not huge) stash of '10, '11 and '13 Maréchales because of the been-there-done-that sense that hovers over them every time I think of opening one.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

after being caught in the gravitational field of the fatschloss in july, i was sucked into a glass of the '91 (faiveley version from the same plot) and upon emerging four hours later declared it superior.
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the 91 was coming along nicely, wasn't it? though as i likely mentioned at the time, the 79 is the one to drink now if i can find any more in teh fatcave.

am i right in remembering that it is the same plot, with teh vines having been previously leased to faiveley before reverting back to mugnier at some point?

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i just got back from a week in prague doing teh day job. i drank only czech wines (mainly hipster czech, at that), and i drank exceptionally well.

teh kamil proke dominique blanc de noirs, brut nature 2021 from moravia, which is recognizably stylish pinot, walks the fine line between depth of fruit and teh playfulness i like in teh fizz, and which was on teh list at teh local -- very good eatery -- for not too many roubles seems to have made a particular impression, with many many bottles being laid to waste across teh week.

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originally posted by fatboy:
am i right in remembering that it is the same plot, with teh vines having been previously leased to faiveley before reverting back to mugnier at some point?

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That's what I've always been told. I happened to be in Fred's cellar to witness the military parade in honour of the inaugural 2004 version simmering in barrel.

teh 79?!?!
 
originally posted by fatboy:

am i right in remembering that it is the same plot, with teh vines having been previously leased to faiveley before reverting back to mugnier at some point?

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There was a period when the Mugnier estate was operated and bottled under the names of others. Alexis Lichine did this for a while, and then Faiveley took over (so not just Clos de la Maréchale, but also Musigny*, Amoureuses, Bonnes-Mares, etc.). In the early 1980s, Fred Mugnier decided that he'd rather make wine in Chambolle than fly jets, and so he gave notice to take back the vines. Faiveley resisted, and I believe there was a lawsuit that was settled by ceding the Clos-Vougeot to Faiveley**, the rest going back to Mugnier.

* After de Vogüé, Mugnier is the largest owner of Musigny, so this was significant.

**Faiveley just donated a plot of Clos-Vougeot to the Hospices de Beaune, but I don't know if that plot was acquired from Mugnier.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by fatboy:

am i right in remembering that it is the same plot, with teh vines having been previously leased to faiveley before reverting back to mugnier at some point?

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There was a period when the Mugnier estate was operated and bottled under the names of others. Alexis Lichine did this for a while, and then Faiveley took over (so not just Clos de la Maréchale, but also Musigny*, Amoureuses, Bonnes-Mares, etc.). In the early 1980s, Fred Mugnier decided that he'd rather make wine in Chambolle than fly jets, and so he gave notice to take back the vines. Faiveley resisted, and I believe there was a lawsuit that was settled by ceding the Clos-Vougeot to Faiveley**, the rest going back to Mugnier.

* After de Vogüé, Mugnier is the largest owner of Musigny, so this was significant.

**Faiveley just donated a plot of Clos-Vougeot to the Hospices de Beaune, but I don't know if that plot was acquired from Mugnier.
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Interesting. Do you know what the basis of the lawsuit was, Claude? Was it breach of contract, or something more nefarious?

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by fatboy:

am i right in remembering that it is the same plot, with teh vines having been previously leased to faiveley before reverting back to mugnier at some point?

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There was a period when the Mugnier estate was operated and bottled under the names of others. Alexis Lichine did this for a while, and then Faiveley took over (so not just Clos de la Maréchale, but also Musigny*, Amoureuses, Bonnes-Mares, etc.). In the early 1980s, Fred Mugnier decided that he'd rather make wine in Chambolle than fly jets, and so he gave notice to take back the vines. Faiveley resisted, and I believe there was a lawsuit that was settled by ceding the Clos-Vougeot to Faiveley**, the rest going back to Mugnier.

* After de Vogüé, Mugnier is the largest owner of Musigny, so this was significant.

**Faiveley just donated a plot of Clos-Vougeot to the Hospices de Beaune, but I don't know if that plot was acquired from Mugnier.
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Interesting. Do you know what the basis of the lawsuit was, Claude? Was it breach of contract, or something more nefarious?

Mark Lipton
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No, I do not. Obviously, for some reason there was a carve out so that Clos de la Maréchale stayed longer with Faiveley than the other properties.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:

No, I do not. Obviously, for some reason there was a carve out so that Clos de la Maréchale stayed longer with Faiveley than the other properties.
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thanks for teh info. we will all have our views on old faiveley, but for myself, as a lover of same, this was a magnificent expression of the style. we may not see the like again.

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i was saving this for the weekend, but the show of intellectual force inspired me to reshuffle the bin endz

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bordeaux? yup. classic? check. terroir is not shit. cassis? yup. but savory. beef broth and cool spearmint. so not margaux? not a chance? graves? are you an idiot? medoc / haut? nah. pauillac? nuh uh. st julien. nope.

st estephe? is there anything left?

why is it always this way? i am an idiot. chambert marbuzet. 86.

fuck yeah!

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