Northern Rhone TNs (May 2025)

Yule Kim

Yule Kim
White Wines

2021 Domaine Yves Cuilleron Condrieu Les Chaillets: Vibrant nose that is youthful and slightly floral. Palate is equally youthful with citrus and peachy orchard fruit. Texturally a bit round and doesn't quite have the cut I would like in a white wine, but decent acidity for a Condrieu.

2014 Domaine Georges Vernay Condrieu Les Chaillées de l'Enfer: There is a complex and layered nose of honey, ginger, aromatic flowers and citrus. There is remarkably fresh acidity that cuts through the waxy texture of the wine and provides definition to the pronounced mineral flavors. Great precision and linearity. More about the wet rocks than the fruit here, and incredibly complex and layered.

2021 Domaine Auguste Clape St. Péray Blanc: Peach and red apple with slightly floral notes on the nose. Very bright and a sense of lightness on the initial attack. Texturally round, and a touch waxy, with a hit of white fruit and minerality in the midpalate. Finishes with some baking spices and a touch of vanilla oak on the finish. There's complexity and richness, but like most Rhone whites, I wish there was more cut and acidity. Not bad, though.

Cote Rotie

2007 Domaine Jamet Côte-Rôtie: Very expressive aromas of violets and blackberries bursts out of the glass. The palate is translucent and elegant with flavors of dark fruit and a touch of smoked meat. Structurally, a sharp acidic spine and silky tannins ties everything together. This is just a pretty wine that may not make the oldest bones, but is such a pleasure to drink right now. Classic Cote Rotie.

St. Joseph

2013 Pierre Gonon St. Joseph: Subtle nose of black raspberries and dark cherries. On the palate, the fruit here is quite dark, with a meatiness that is inflected with salinity and brine. While the midpalate is quite dense and savory, the wine has excellent acidity and is also beautifully elegant and light on its feet. Finishes with a slight kick of spiky black pepper on the back end. Tannins are approachable now, but still grippy. Great stuff.

2022 Domaine Monier Perréol St. Joseph: Very classic Northern Rhone flavor profiles of dark fruit and brininess. The weight is quite elegant, there is decent acidity, and there is no oak or other types of makeup on the wine. The flavors though feel a little wan and lack intensity. Not dilute, per se, but like an echo of what I expected the flavors to be. Perhaps going up to the Chatelet will result in a more intense, yet still light-footed, experience.

2021 La Baladeuse L'Etourdie: A rather dense, dark purple robe in the glass. The nose has aromas of blackberries and cassis with a subtle hint of barnyard. The palate has cool blue fruit, bitter medicinal herbs, blood and iron, a hint of smoke, and cracked black pepper. The acidity is quite juicy, yet the tannins are still surprisingly firm and mouth-puckeringly drying. While it tastes like a carbonic wine with this forward fruit, there is a distinct savory quality to the wine as well, and, if anything, this could probably use some more age to resolve the tannins.

Technical notes: A negociant wine. 8 days of maceration, 9 months in fiberglass tank, from 100% Syrah grown on granite soils in St. Joseph (Bogy) by a producer named Jean Delobre.

Cornas

1999 Domaine Auguste Clape Cornas: This has a really nice floral nose redolent of violet and dark berries. The tannins here seem mostly resolved, though there is a tiny bit of lingering grip that can easily be tamed with a bit of protein. Savory palate of dark fruit, brine, and olives. Acidity is quite mouthwatering. Very classic, very Cornas.

2013 Domaine Auguste Clape Cornas: Very meaty and savory with dark fruit and a touch of smokiness. The tannins, however, coat the entire mouth and are quite drying and are a bit stern. It's not so bad that you cannot enjoy the wine, but I would still wait a couple more years for the tannins to soften a bit. There's plenty of upside though: good acidity, relatively light-footed weight, and intense, if slightly rustic, flavors.

2020 Domaine Auguste Clape Cornas: Aromas of violet and dark berries with a touch of smokiness on the nose. Despite the velvety texture and lush dark fruit, it does not feel overdone and the acidity balances the ripeness by providing quite a bit of lively zest. And there is a touch of salinity, black olive brine, and smokiness to add complexity. The tannins are not very assertive; rather, they are fine and just slightly grippy on the tip of the tongue. All of these elements are beautifully integrated. However, the one drawback is that the alcohol seems a little high; while the peppery spicy finish is long, I do sense a bit of heat as well. Otherwise, this is pretty smashing.

I do have to say, after drinking the '99 and '13 Clape Cornas a couple of days earlier, it does feel there has been a style shift. The '13 Clape had palate coating tannins which were still rather firm while the tannins here are so much more polished and approachable. They are dramatically different wines.

2021 Thierry Allemand Cornas Reynard: An expressive and lovely nose of violets and blackberry with a subtle hint of smoke leaps out of the glass. The palate is silky, complex, light-footed, yet intensely flavorful. There's a hint of herb and smoked meat interwoven with sappy purple fruit with a subtle citrusy twist. The tannins are very polished, lending just a hint of grip. The acidity is ripe and juicy. Supremely elegant and delicious, this finishes very long. Super yummy and approachable right now.

2010 Marcel Juge Cornas: There's a very aromatic nose of dark cherry and herbs. On the palate, the wine's spherically textured with silky tannins and juicy acidity that are both seamlessly integrated into the finessed and light-footed structure of the wine. The fruit is rather red-toned and vibrant, there's hints of herbs and spice, and these flavors develop into a long finish imbued with notes of smoldering charcoal and scorched earth. A beautiful showing.

2014 Guillaume Gilles Cornas: Nice floral nose of violets with hints of herbs. Elegant, light-footed, with assertive acidity to frame the sappy dark fruit. Not monolithic at this point, with interesting layers of black pepper, subtle green notes, and brine, but the tannins are still rather firm and drying. Enjoyable now with food, but probably has upside if you can wait for the tannins to resolve further.

2018 Julien Cecillon Cornas Saint Pierre: Big ripe nose of dark cherry with subtle floral notes. Very silky, though the tannins still have a touch of grip. Quite fruit forward, though surprisingly red in tone. However, there's decent acidity and elegance on the palate. A bit too ripe for my tastes, but it still is rather drinkable and fun. I imagine this cuvee would be really lovely in a slightly cooler year. I also appreciate that there is zero makeup in the winemaking.

2022 Guy Farge Cornas Harmonie: Young, young, young. Fresh blackberry on the nose, but what is very surprising is the intense creaminess on the palate. I can't help but feel that the oak is sticking out a bit too much. However, underneath the slick veneer and drying tannins, you can taste an interesting ferrous bloodiness on the palate. I'm not much of a fan right now because of the creamy texture, but maybe it will integrate with time.

Hermitage

2017 Delas Frères Hermitage Les Bessards: There's some nice violet aromas intermingling with the black brambly fruit on the nose. However, the palate is very slick, glossy, and polished and the dark fruit is monolithically dense at this point. Comes across as very modern and definitely needs more time to integrate the oak.

2020 Domaine Jean-Louis Chave Hermitage: I will be honest: this wine totally baffled me. The nose is ok, with some dark cherry and cassis mixed in with a hint of barnyard. However, the plush purple fruit is buried under layers of vanilla and new oak. Granted, the acidity is preserved, and the wine wears it's 14.5% abv with a certain degree of aplomb, but the round, slick, polished textured is truly oft-putting. I also don't think destemming did the wine any favors; the pure, unadulterated, monotonous fruit is kind of dull and makes the wine feel soft. Pairing that with the new oak, which is so appallingly heavy-handed, I can't help but feel this wine is a venial sin against God and nature.

Maybe this is shut down right now, and with time the oak will integrate, but I just can't see this wine getting any better than boring and inoffensive. I was glad I got an extra pour of the '21 Allemand Reynard to help rinse out the Chave from my mouth.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim: Northern Rhone TNs (May 2025)2007 Domaine Jamet Côte-Rôtie: Classic Cote Rotie.

Yule, Altogether an awesome posting!

And, yes, Jamet classic style with Cote Rotie is such a pleasure.

. . . . . Pete
 
Thanks for these great notes, Yule.

I don’t drink Chave nearly as often as I used to but this seems par for the course on Jean-Louis’s watch. I had the same reaction to 2015 Chave three years ago that you had to 2020. And then again to a more recent vintage I’m blanking on now but somewhere in the 2019-21 window. I was also quite underwhelmed by 2001 at the end of March at a table with some very fine N. Rhône wines although reactions were mixed from tepid like mine to not bad. It was completely outclassed.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Thanks for these great notes, Yule.

I don’t drink Chave nearly as often as I used to but this seems par for the course on Jean-Louis’s watch. I had the same reaction to 2015 Chave three years ago that you had to 2020. And then again to a more recent vintage I’m blanking on now but somewhere in the 2019-21 window. I was also quite underwhelmed by 2001 at the end of March at a table with some very fine N. Rhône wines although reactions were mixed from tepid like mine to not bad. It was completely outclassed.
The 2001 was before the style shift at Chave; that said, a 2001 that I opened some months back, while not bad, was not what it should have been.
 
The first notable style and structural shift was in 1999. It was and has been very clear. That said, I don’t doubt a later further style shift toward a new oak profile that I agree was not there as of 2001 - not sure when that happened.
 
Great notes Yule! Lots of good-sounding wines.

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Thanks for these great notes, Yule.

I don’t drink Chave nearly as often as I used to but this seems par for the course on Jean-Louis’s watch. I had the same reaction to 2015 Chave three years ago that you had to 2020. And then again to a more recent vintage I’m blanking on now but somewhere in the 2019-21 window. I was also quite underwhelmed by 2001 at the end of March at a table with some very fine N. Rhône wines although reactions were mixed from tepid like mine to not bad. It was completely outclassed.

I was "not bad" on the 2001 Chave, damning with faint praise. My notes from that evening: https://www.cellartracker.com/event.asp?iEvent=57599
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
I’m with Jayson. 1999 was the first disappointing Chave for me

Of course Pavel places the timing much earlier
Jay,
Bought 6 at release - 2 disappointing, 2 very good, 2 epic.
They seemed to get better with age.
Just one guy’s experience.
 
originally posted by BJ:
And Yule, how did/didn't the Rule of 15 apply here?

I will say that many of the younger wines had tamer tannins and were more approachable than their "middle-aged" counterparts. Clape in particular was quite striking. But, even the Allemand and Chave had more approachable tannins than the '13 Clape and the '14 Gilles (and to a lesser extent the '13 Gonon).

I'm not sure if this is a function of tannins getting fiercer in middle-age, or a function of climate change plus winemaking changes, but all of the wines post-2018 weren't particular drying or astringent, tannin-wise. Even the 2017 Delas was drinkable, tannin-wise (density of fruit and glossiness were the main issue there).

1999 Clape and 2010 Juge, on the other hand, were "winner, winner, chicken dinner" and validate the Rule of 15 for wines of that era.

But, I'm not sure if the Rule of 15 is as relevant in this age of climate change.
 
Thanks everyone for the kind words!

And, I'm really enjoying the Chave discussion. I basically have zero Chave experience prior to the 2020, so it has been interesting reading everyone's takes.

Needless to say, it was pretty shocking drinking the 2020 Chave. Completely different from my expectations. Reading the Cellartracker notes, I was kind of questioning whether I had the same wine they did. Reading people's feedback here is reassuring that I haven't completely lost my palate.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
The first notable style and structural shift was in 1999. It was and has been very clear. That said, I don’t doubt a later further style shift toward a new oak profile that I agree was not there as of 2001 - not sure when that happened.
I've heard others say that, but I don't see it.* (I've yet to open any of my Chave 1999s, though.) At that time, I was visiting and tasting at Chave (and other Northern Rhône producers) every year, and for me, what you perceive as the style change was instead the vintage. If there was more new oak in the 1999, it was not evident in the cellar. That said, there was no cuvée Cathelin in 1999 and previous versions had been raised entirely in new oak (Michel Bettane claims credit for that). Jean-Louis told me that he decided not to make a Cathelin for 1999 because he wanted to show that the vintage was so strong on its own that there was no "need" for it. That raises the possibility that there were casks set aside for Cathelin before the decision not to make it that wound up going into the blend, but even if that is so, the quantity should have been sufficiently small that it wouldn't have seriously moved the oak percentage.

The 2001 from cask and bottle was very much in the prevailing style, and also 2002, a great success from a very difficult vintage. Certainly, the bottle of 2001 that I opened recently, whatever its disappointments, did not show the new style.

2003, a unique year, was to me undrinkable, but of course Parker went crazy over it, and I've been told by someone else who spent a lot of time with Jean-Louis that Parker's raving and 100-point score turned J-L's head and was the eventual spur to the new style. By that time, of course, the 2004 would have already been harvested and fermented, so that was still in the old style.

2005, then, for me marked the beginning of the new style, and, coincidentally or not, the severance of the longtime relationship with Kermit Lynch as one of the importers.

* Your being on the East Coast raises the possibility that we have tasted different wines for 1999. There were different importers there and in California. By the time of the 1999, the official word was that there was only one blend, but I recall seeing bottles of Chave from a different importer than Kermit Lynch, the CA importer, that had a different lot number on them, and I also recall seeing bins in the cellar with different lot numbers on them.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
By that time, of course, the 2004 would have already been harvested and fermented, so that was still in the old style.

From your lips to god's ears, since the only bottle I've been saving for a special occasion is a 2004.

Thanks for elucidating.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
By that time, of course, the 2004 would have already been harvested and fermented, so that was still in the old style.

From your lips to god's ears, since the only bottle I've been saving for a special occasion is a 2004.

Thanks for elucidating.
Again, there is the possibility of different bottlings. Chave at one time was well-known for various bottlings of different quality, and see Kermit Lynch's Adventures on the Wine Route for his description of mixing his own cuvée with Gérard Chave. As I said, by the late 1990s, officially, there was only one bottling for all, although I have reason to think that might not have been true.

When I began visiting in the Rhône in the 1980s, and at least up through the 1990s, some producers would only bottle "sur commande", that is, when an order came in, they filled enough bottles to respond to the order and left the remaining bottles in the barrel. As a result, I sometimes saw wines two and three years old still in barrel. Even where this practice was not followed, often the wines would be bottled in two or more batches at different times (typically, once in spring, once just before the harvest). Lot numbers can help sort this out, but American importers often use labels that do not show lot numbers (or occasionally leftover labels that show incorrect lot numbers) because lot numbers are not required for U.S. import and EU law does not require them for export to the US.
 
there were prevailing rumours that, with the emergence of cuvee cathelin (for some reason i forget the first vintage, but assuming 1990), the main cuvee became uniform. perhaps the rumours themselves were as market-specific as were the cuvees coincidentally brought in by multiple importers.

the difference among multiple bottlings in vintages such as 78, 83, 85, 88 were borderline hilarious (or not, if you were pulling a cork expecting something very very specific). the differences appeared to get more subtle thereafter, or did they? this discussion indicates otherwise.

i wonder (to the stainless jay's point) if my great disappointment with 94, 95, 96 (many bottles of each consumed) can in fact be attributed to the blends intended for different markets. fyi mine were not kl

to end on a positive note, when gerard chave went over his krug-level blending science with us in july 1993, the lecture was accompanied by a '79 hermitage blanc that was bonkers off the charts.
 
1990 was the first commercially-released vintage of the Cathelin; as a practical matter, and this is not unusual in the Rhône, there was a bottling of the best stuff made every year for the family's private consumption.

The cuvées did not become uniform beginning with 1990, and indeed based on some evidence that I don't feel comfortable putting on this site, I can build a pretty interesting circumstantial case for why 2005 was the first uniform vintage. But yes, I know of no real stinkers later on like there were for 1978, in part because the prices were getting high enough and people were paying close enough attention that such shenanigans would pose a considerable risk to the estate's reputation.

Chave, of course, wasn't the only one to put out cuvées of vastly different quality -- Jaboulet, among others, did (especially the 1990 La Chapelle).
 
Y'all are way more knowledgeable than me on the specifics of individual producers, but as someone in the weeds of how things actually get done in my own work, I'm always interested in the production side of things in wine. It has always struck me on cellar visits that the ability or even desirability of blending all contributing tanks into one homogeneous cuvee rather than bottling by individual vessel and slapping a cuvee label on all the bottles is probably limited for most smaller/less financed producers. Hassle factor surely becomes a thing too. Since we were talking 09 Lapierre recently...when we visited him in around '06, he had maybe 20 foudres (really rough memory, just remember a couple big rows). IT's hard for me to imagine him trying to blend all those in one consistent cuvee, even though labelled as such. Certainly no large blending tank, and the logistics of some sort of capillary system at bottling beyond 3-4 vessels seems unlikely.

What do folks know about this topic? I'm just speculative here.
 
The other thing I would add is that based on the comment above, I have frequently been dubious about even talking in "shared experience" terms between people about certain wines that would fall into this category - smaller volume cuvees would be consistent, but large volume cuvees are likely variable even at the cellar door per the above...
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
1990 was the first commercially-released vintage of the Cathelin; as a practical matter, and this is not unusual in the Rhône, there was a bottling of the best stuff made every year for the family's private consumption.

The cuvées did not become uniform beginning with 1990, and indeed based on some evidence that I don't feel comfortable putting on this site, I can build a pretty interesting circumstantial case for why 2005 was the first uniform vintage. But yes, I know of no real stinkers later on like there were for 1978, in part because the prices were getting high enough and people were paying close enough attention that such shenanigans would pose a considerable risk to the estate's reputation.

Chave, of course, wasn't the only one to put out cuvées of vastly different quality -- Jaboulet, among others, did (especially the 1990 La Chapelle).

Can you tell me more about the 1990 Jaboulet La Chapelle? I bought a case of it and never saw what the fuss was about. After drinking 3 of the bottles over around 20 years, all of which were characterless (the last one I let breathe for 6 and then 12 hours before it showed anything at all) I concluded that the wine would just need more time than I had lifetime, and sold 6 of my remaining 9 bottles for an obscene profit. I expect to check in on the last three at some point, but have no particular hopes for it. Is there something I didn't know about?
 
I've had five or six bottles of 1990 La Chapelle, one was amazing and all the others meh. Jaboulet used to do multiple bottlings, varying substantially by bottling date, and probably also by blend. AFAIK, there was no way to tell them apart by inspecting the bottles. In theory, there should have been lot numbers on the bottles, but I never succeeded in finding them for Jaboulet.

In contrast to the La Chapelle, I've had numerous bottles of 1990 Crozes-Hermitage Domaine de Thalabert, and every single one was superb.
 
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