Skurnik Tasting TNs - 6/24/25

Yule Kim

Yule Kim
Flatiron in San Francisco hosted a Skurnik portfolio tasting last month where winemakers were on hand pouring their wines to all of the guests. I had a passing familiarity with most of the names (except for Reinisch), but never had any of the wines before except for Selbach-Oster.

Some topline thoughts:
I thought all of the producers had interesting and worthwhile wines, though I enjoyed the Spreitzer lineup the most. Probably had to do with the conversation I had with the winemaker, who was the most talkative out of everyone, but I found his dry wines to be really good (especially the Hallgartener Hendelberg Riesling Alte Reben trocken based on its cost-performance), and the Kabinett was delicious.
I was also surprised at how enjoyable the Selbach-Oster’s trocken wines were, though I suspect the RS in those wines were on the higher-end permissible. The Rotlay Auslese was unsurprisingly excellent.
The Feinherb “Porphyr” was my favorite wine in the Hexamer lineup. Just intensely mineral and saline, with just enough RS to provide some balance.
Burklin Wolf was also good, but the barrel influence was quite evident in the winemaking. Not overbearing, but noticeable (and within my level of oak tolerance). Certainly less oaky than von Winning (though that may not be saying much).
Reinisch was interesting. I have not had any Austrian Pinot Noirs before, and they weren’t bad (if a bit fruit forward). Also fun to try Rotgipfler and Saint Laurent for the first time.
Dr. Burklin Wolf - Pfalz

2022 Dr. Bürklin-Wolf Wachenheimer Riesling: A palate of lemons, wet rocks, and rich, ripe yellow fruit framed with a subtle touch of oak tannin, adding some spice on the finish. A dense mid-palate with a nice acid spine. Straightforward, but an elegant entry-level wine.

2018 Dr. Bürklin-Wolf Wachenheim Riesling R late release: An expressively floral nose. The texture here is quite fine, light-weight, and silky with a good acidity, generous yellow fruit intermingled with citrus and salt, inflected with a hint of bitter herbs. Finish here is quite long.

2020 Dr. Bürklin-Wolf Wachenheimer Böhlig Riesling: A silky, seamless texture with flavors of lemon, lime, rocks, salt and bitter herbs. Powerful and intense. While there's a polish that seems barrel influence, it doesn't come across as particularly glossy. Acidity is on point.

2021 Dr. Bürklin-Wolf Ruppertsberger Gaisböhl Riesling: There's a wild, expressive nose that is floral and fruity, but also has a hint of funk and wet earth. The acidity is mouth-watering and vibrant, but already well-integrated into the filigreed, silky texture. While the silk is probably has a barrel-influenced, there are no oaky flavors or off-putting gloss. Layers of salty, citrus, and herbal flavors that crescendo into a long, tart finish.

Hexamer - Nahe

2023 Hexamer Riesling trocken: An expressive floral nose. There's very nice acidity on the palate with an undertone of white fruit and prominent notes of salt and minerals. Pretty enjoyable, if straightforward.

2023 Hexamer Riesling Feinherb "Porphyr": Very saline and rocky palate. There's also subtle white fruit that adds an extra dimension, but it is a supporting player to the ashy, volcanic minerality. Evolves into a tart, lemon finish imbued with herbal complexity. I really enjoyed this wine.

2023 Hexamer Riesling Quarzit: The nose is expressively fruit. The palate has a distinct sweetness to it coating the peachy flavors of white orchard fruit. While there is minerality and the acidity is quite sharp and mouth-watering, the wine is defined by its generous fruit, especially in comparison to the Porphyr Feinherb.

2023 Hexamer Meddersheimer Rheingrafenberg Riesling Spätlese: Juicy and honeyed fruit that is quite sweet, but balanced with good acidity. Quite easy drinking and tasty. Highly enjoyable.

Selbach-Oster - Mosel

2023 Selbach-Oster Riesling trocken: A lemony, saline nose with some floral notes. The acidity is sharp, but not jagged, and is lively and bright. The palate is quite rich and giving, with generous orchard fruit seasoned with salt and hints of lime.

2021 Selbach-Oster Weissburgunder trocken: Reminds me of lemony, salty sea water on the nose. The palate, however, is quite rich with distinct honeyed notes. Not particularly complex, but nice enough. The residual sugar seems noticeable, despite being a trocken.

2021 Selbach-Oster Zeltinger Riesling trocken Alte Reben: Quite a rich, intense nose that comes across as quite honeyed, fruity and floral that would make me think this was a pradikat wine. The palate is ripe, with intense white and yellow fruit, but balanced with lively acidity. Quite easy drinking, though I suspect the residual sugar is on the higher end for a trocken. A blend of fruit from Zeltinger Sonnenuhr and Himmelreich.

2022 Selbach-Oster Zeltinger Schlossberg Riesling Großes Gewächs: The nose is a little tight and unexpressive, though you get hints of florals and honeyed orchard fruit. The palate has more pronounced minerality and salt, with an undertone of white fruit and lemony citrus. Quite tart and the acidity provides balance to the ripeness.

2019 Selbach-Oster Zeltinger Himmelreich Riesling Kabinett halbtrocken: Quite tart and salty, but generous white fruit on the palate. Acidity is good, which balances the richness, and the finish ends with a mineral-laden salinity.

2020 Selbach-Oster Zeltinger Sonnenuhr Riesling Auslese 'Rotlay': Nicely expressive floral and fruity nose. The acidity is quite refreshing, balancing the intense green and white fruit flavors, and texturally, the wine is also delicate and finessed. While the flavors are tilted more towards fruit than minerality, you do get flavors of slate on the finish. This is just super yummy.

Spreitzer - Rheingau

2021 Weingut Spreitzer Riesling Estate Riesling Trocken: Surprisingly deep and intense palate. Primarily just white fruit, citrus, and salt, but the acidity is so lively and the wine is so giving, I can't help but have smile on my face. So easy to drink, but has plenty of character to it.

2023 Weingut Spreitzer Hallgartener Hendelberg Riesling Alte Reben trocken: Rich, dense, and layered with a fine, almost airy texture and plenty of salt, minerality, and acidity. Very giving and generous fruit, but resolutely dry. Nice salty finish.

2023 Weingut Spreitzer Klosterberg Riesling Alte Reben trocken: Very expressive floral nose. Lots of complexity on the palate: has the citrus, salinity, and minerality of the village level wines, but also layers of herbs and spice. Fresh acidity with great tension.

2021 Weingut Spreitzer Oestricher Lenchen Rosengarten Riesling Großes Gewächs: Very fine, silky texture. Lemon and peach on the palate with intense minerality, salinity, and ripe acidity. Very intense, lively and bright. Not austere at all; very giving and open. Long finish. Very delicious.

2022 Weingut Spreitzer Riesling 101: Kind of basic Riesling. Nice nose, and decent acidity that keeps the sweetness from being cloying, but a little fruity and simple. Lacking depth, but not bad either.

2023 Weingut Spreitzer Oestricher Lenchen Riesling Kabinett: Lovely kabinett. Expressively floral and fruity nose with just a touch of honey on it. Very nice balance of sweetness and acidity on the palate with just a touch of honeyed richness and a pronounced saline and mineral streak. Nice, long finish. Richer than a Mosel kabinett, but I really like the balance here.

Reinisch - Thermenregion (Austria)

2023 Johanneshof Reinisch Rotgipfler: A slight honeyed note on the aromatic nose. A crisp, linear, and stony wine with decent acidity. Fairly straightforward, easy-drinking white wine. My first time having a wine made out of Rotgipfler.

2016 Johanneshof Reinisch St. Laurent Grande Reserve Holzspur: A very dark nose that reminds me of blackberry and cassis. Very straightforward and lush dark red fruit with a velvety texture and silky tannins. Not overly complex, but not ponderous or monolithic either. Perhaps a bit heavy on the palate for my tastes, but still plenty drinkable.

2022 Johanneshof Reinisch Pinot Noir: Darker cherry nose with accents of mint. The palate has juicy red fruit with some medicinal green notes, but is otherwise pure and straightforward. It is texturally silky with just a dusting of tannins to provide some grip. No oak at all. Perhaps a bit simple, but satisfying.

2018 Johanneshof Reinisch Pinot Noir Gumpoldskirchen: Nose is quite meaty and savory with aromas of dark cherry. The palate is quite fruit forward with a lush, velvety texture. Tannins are already quite polished. Bitter herbal notes on the finish add complexity. Much more intense than the estate Pinot Noir.

2018 Johanneshof Reinisch Pinot Noir Holzspur: Quite structured and still rather tight with pronounced dusty tannins and firm acidity. Quite silky and elegant, more so than the Gumpoldskirchen or Estate Pinot Noirs. More mineral-laden and less fruit-forward as well. The winemaker characterized this cuvee as "stricter" and I think that's a good way to describe this.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:

2021 Weingut Spreitzer Riesling Estate Riesling Trocken: Surprisingly deep and intense palate. Primarily just white fruit, citrus, and salt, but the acidity is so lively and the wine is so giving, I can't help but have smile on my face. So easy to drink, but has plenty of character to it.

It's great how much pleasure a 'basic' wine can provide sometimes.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:

I thought all of the producers had interesting and worthwhile wines, though I enjoyed the Spreitzer lineup the most. Probably had to do with the conversation I had with the winemaker, who was the most talkative out of everyone, but I found his dry wines to be really good (especially the Hallgartener Hendelberg Riesling Alte Reben trocken based on its cost-performance), and the Kabinett was delicious.

It never fails to impress how a little note of winemaker humanity improves the flavor and aroma of a wine.
 
Spreitzer in particular and Rheingau in general are vastly underrated and not understood in the US (same for Pfalz, and I suppose one could add all the rest of Germany except for Mosel and to some extent Nahe).

Re Rheingau, too bad they didn't show or you didn't get to taste Künstler.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Spreitzer in particular and Rheingau in general are vastly underrated and not understood in the US...

Curious what you mean by 'not understood'? I can see people underrating the region because of outdated misconceptions about quality decline. But not understanding?
 
Basically, I think regions outside of Mosel and Nahe (and Rheinhessen to the extent of Keller and maybe Wittmann) don't even exist in people's consciousness in the US. But to the extent that people are aware of those regions, they have no information about them or if they do, it is outdated or incorrect.

The information is available, e.g., the Wine Atlas of Germany published by University of California Press is still in print, but you don't find people buying it and poring over the information the way they do with books about Burgundy. And both the VDP and German Wine Institute have useful websites.

A lot of this misunderstanding goes back to Rudi Wiest and Terry Theise, both of whom did a tremendous amount to spark interest in German wine in the 1990s and first decade of the 2000s. But Rudi clearly had little interest in the Rheingau (he was always trying to find a single producer who had properties from one end to the other so he didn't have to explain the region through different producers). Terry did have interest in most regions (but Baden, Franken, and Württemberg excepted), but even though he understood the terroirs in each region very well, he never made an effort to explain them to his customers, just putting the wines out there for people to taste with no explanation. And then there was his problem with dry wines (ironically, he posted on his blog a few years ago that most of what he drinks now is trocken).
 
I, for one, pored over the Wine Atlas of Germany (Braatz, Sautter, Swoboda). The exception that proves the rule, I suppose. It was a welcome update to Pigott. The increased focus on Franken, B-W, and the eastern regions is welcome. Their vineyard classification was notable for its differences from Pigott's. I miss the prong-based rating system, though. Perhaps the next atlas will adopt it.

Sad to see the absence of any Sylvaner wine at the Skurnik event. The Weissburgunder was probably a breath of fresh air. Riesling overload can be a thing. Again, I may be the exception.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Basically, I think regions outside of Mosel and Nahe (and Rheinhessen to the extent of Keller and maybe Wittmann) don't even exist in people's consciousness in the US. But to the extent that people are aware of those regions, they have no information about them or if they do, it is outdated or incorrect.
I haven't done any research related to the topic, but I think the Rheingau is quite familiar to US wine drinkers, in different ways depending on the consumer segment. Just for starters, it has Rhein in the name, and a lot of tours and cruises go through the area. Some of the producers and vineyards are pretty high profile, especially among core wine consumers who have a casual acquaintance with German wines: Schloss Vollrads, Robert Weil, Eberbach, Johannisberg...

But I'd agree that Mosel-Saar, Nahe and even the Pfalz have gotten more attention among the German Riesling aficionados over the last decade or two. But that's a small slice of the already small segment of Riesling or German wine drinkers (which overlap but are not the same group).
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Basically, I think regions outside of Mosel and Nahe (and Rheinhessen to the extent of Keller and maybe Wittmann) don't even exist in people's consciousness in the US. But to the extent that people are aware of those regions, they have no information about them or if they do, it is outdated or incorrect.

I can see that. I'm far from an expert but probably forget how un-curious the general wine drinker is about all the German regions.

Although Christian is probably correct that there are different segments. And I would imagine the younger wine drinkers catching onto a new wave of German producers probably have yet another view.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Spreitzer in particular and Rheingau in general are vastly underrated and not understood in the US (same for Pfalz, and I suppose one could add all the rest of Germany except for Mosel and to some extent Nahe).

Re Rheingau, too bad they didn't show or you didn't get to taste Künstler.

Yes, I would have loved to have tasted Kunstler. I think they were limited by the winemakers who decided to come over to SF. In fact, I'm pretty sure Burklin Wolf was a last minute addition; I think they found someone who worked there who was willing to come over to discuss the wine.

I did appreciate that Skurnik made the effort to cover the various regions in this tasting and just didn't do all Mosel or Nahe. It was educational. My impression was that they were trying to showcase the less well-known producers (with the exception of Selbach-Oster, of course). No Donnhoff or Willi Schaefer (and, tbh, I'm guessing they don't really need to travel so much anymore to sell their wines, so understandable).
 
originally posted by Bob Semon:
Sad to see the absence of any Sylvaner wine at the Skurnik event. The Weissburgunder was probably a breath of fresh air. Riesling overload can be a thing. Again, I may be the exception.

Yeah, it would been nice to have tried some Sylvaner wines, though I think their only German Sylvaner producers are based in the Rheinhessen (and the variety isn't really a focus of those producers).

The Rotgipfler did provide some extra variety!
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Basically, I think regions outside of Mosel and Nahe (and Rheinhessen to the extent of Keller and maybe Wittmann) don't even exist in people's consciousness in the US. But to the extent that people are aware of those regions, they have no information about them or if they do, it is outdated or incorrect.

I can see that. I'm far from an expert but probably forget how un-curious the general wine drinker is about all the German regions.

Although Christian is probably correct that there are different segments. And I would imagine the younger wine drinkers catching onto a new wave of German producers probably have yet another view.

I'm actually kind of curious what the younger wine drinker's view of German producers is? It seems like younger collectors are chasing racy, high-acid Mosel producers like Julian Haart or Spatburgunder from Baden (and a lot of that is being driven by a mix of what US importers are bringing in and social media hype). But, the continued lack of curiosity about other regions like Rheingau and Pfalz and even Rheinhessen outside of Keller continues.
 
The issue with Rheingau was when pretty much all of the old guard wineries began to make mediocre wine. Langwerth von Simmern, Schloss Vollrads, and Kloster Eberbach were the main offenders. I certainly stopped purchasing from that region. I don't know if that's still the case, but it's been going (or went on) for quite a while. Schloss Johannisberg to some degree, too(?) From what I've read, Johannisberg is back on form. The poster child for keeping the flame is Robert Weil. Wines have always been terrific. Prices for Weil is what stopped me from purchasing.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
It seems like younger collectors are chasing racy, high-acid Mosel producers like Julian Haart or Spatburgunder from Baden (and a lot of that is being driven by a mix of what US importers are bringing in and social media hype). But, the continued lack of curiosity about other regions like Rheingau and Pfalz and even Rheinhessen outside of Keller continues.

From what I see working in collector wine storage, social media is likely a major factor. Particularly The Gram as a window into what should be acquired. Then there's the sexiness of the gray market, places like Thatcher's or SommPicks. If they are offering it, then why it has to be worth it. Everyone's favorite word, "curated." Echo chamber.

So curiosity born out of "Hmmm, I never heard of this guy, let's try it!" isn't that much in vogue. Not that the product is out there per se anyway.
 
originally posted by Marc Hanes:
originally posted by Yule Kim:
It seems like younger collectors are chasing racy, high-acid Mosel producers like Julian Haart or Spatburgunder from Baden (and a lot of that is being driven by a mix of what US importers are bringing in and social media hype). But, the continued lack of curiosity about other regions like Rheingau and Pfalz and even Rheinhessen outside of Keller continues.

From what I see working in collector wine storage, social media is likely a major factor. Particularly The Gram as a window into what should be acquired. Then there's the sexiness of the gray market, places like Thatcher's or SommPicks. If they are offering it, then why it has to be worth it. Everyone's favorite word, "curated." Echo chamber.

So curiosity born out of "Hmmm, I never heard of this guy, let's try it!" isn't that much in vogue. Not that the product is out there per se anyway.

Yeah, I'm noticing there seems to be less curiosity in general to try new things. People have their labels they deem worth chasing and tend to ignore other worthwhile producers because they just don't have the cachet.

Though, in fairness to Thatcher and SommPicks, trusting a retailer to curate your wine purchases isn't necessarily the worst way to get advice on what to buy. Thatcher may not be guiding people on their wine buying in person, but what he is doing doesn't seem to be that different from what people like David Schildknecht at Pearson's or David Lillie and Jamie Wolff at Chamber Street did (or are still doing) when they made recommendations to their customers. I was told when I got started that the best thing to do is find a retailer you trust who can make recommendations to you (and not to chase wines that get high scores from critics). I guess Thatcher fills that role for some people (especially if you play in the NBA, lol).
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Terry did have interest in most regions (but Baden, Franken, and Württemberg excepted), but even though he understood the terroirs in each region very well, he never made an effort to explain them to his customers, just putting the wines out there for people to taste with no explanation. And then there was his problem with dry wines (ironically, he posted on his blog a few years ago that most of what he drinks now is trocken).
Well, I can say from first-hand experience that this is simply not true. He did explain the regions to his customers, but those customers were his distributors and his wholesale customers, and they, in turn, were the ones who needed to translate that information to retail customers in understandable terms.

Regarding Terry's shift toward dry wines, I honestly believe that a lot of it has to do with the changing climate and the fact that many dry wines in the past were unbalanced.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
originally posted by Marc Hanes:
originally posted by Yule Kim:
It seems like younger collectors are chasing racy, high-acid Mosel producers like Julian Haart or Spatburgunder from Baden (and a lot of that is being driven by a mix of what US importers are bringing in and social media hype). But, the continued lack of curiosity about other regions like Rheingau and Pfalz and even Rheinhessen outside of Keller continues.

From what I see working in collector wine storage, social media is likely a major factor. Particularly The Gram as a window into what should be acquired. Then there's the sexiness of the gray market, places like Thatcher's or SommPicks. If they are offering it, then why it has to be worth it. Everyone's favorite word, "curated." Echo chamber.

So curiosity born out of "Hmmm, I never heard of this guy, let's try it!" isn't that much in vogue. Not that the product is out there per se anyway.
I was told when I got started that the best thing to do is find a retailer you trust who can make recommendations to you (and not to chase wines that get high scores from critics).
About 25 years ago, that retailer would have been Bill Mayer, who had several private customers, although he had no actual brick-and-mortar location. However, alas, he is no longer with us, nor is that model of a highly personal and exceptionally knowledgeable tiny retailer.
 
originally posted by Larry Stein:
The issue with Rheingau was when pretty much all of the old guard wineries began to make mediocre wine. Langwerth von Simmern, Schloss Vollrads, and Kloster Eberbach were the main offenders. I certainly stopped purchasing from that region. I don't know if that's still the case, but it's been going (or went on) for quite a while. Schloss Johannisberg to some degree, too(?) From what I've read, Johannisberg is back on form. The poster child for keeping the flame is Robert Weil. Wines have always been terrific. Prices for Weil is what stopped me from purchasing.
I agree that was one of the issues. Langwerth von Simmern, after a brie swan song, doesn't exist any more, ditto for Schloss Schönborn. Schloss Vollrads has been making better wine than it had, I think that they could still do better. Kloster Eberbach's problem is that it is so large, not all wines are of equal quality, but they built a new state-of-the art facility that opened about 15 years ago or so and that helped. I don't think Schloss Johannisberg had ever sunk to the level people claimed, but at any rate has been making superb wine for a long time. Schloss Reinhartshausen was sold some time ago, but I haven't seen the wines since before the sale. Schloss Eltz ceased to exist a long time ago.

But there are other estates making spectacular wines, e.g., the afore-mentioned Weil, Spreitzer, and Künstler, but also Breuer, Kühn, Prinz, Wegeler, Flick, etc., some of which, such as Künstler, Prinz, and Flick, have profited by gaining vineyards from the old historic estates that ceased to exist.

The second reason for the decline in popularity of the Rheingau in the US is that it was the first region to go for/back to dry wines, and let's face it, in the 1980s and for most of the 1990s, German dry wines that didn't come from Franken (and maybe Baden and Württemberg, I don't know their wines from that era) were pretty rough sledding. But those days are long past, and dry wine is the main face of German wine these days, even for much of the Mosel.
 
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Terry did have interest in most regions (but Baden, Franken, and Württemberg excepted), but even though he understood the terroirs in each region very well, he never made an effort to explain them to his customers, just putting the wines out there for people to taste with no explanation. And then there was his problem with dry wines (ironically, he posted on his blog a few years ago that most of what he drinks now is trocken).
Well, I can say from first-hand experience that this is simply not true. He did explain the regions to his customers, but those customers were his distributors and his wholesale customers, and they, in turn, were the ones who needed to translate that information to retail customers in understandable terms.

Regarding Terry's shift toward dry wines, I honestly believe that a lot of it has to do with the changing climate and the fact that many dry wines in the past were unbalanced.
I don't know what Terry said to distributors other than what was in his catalogs. There, yes, for example, he would describe the different terroirs of Dönnhoff's vineyards in relation to each other, and also those of Krüger-Rumpf and Hexamer (and at various times Schneider and Diel and maybe at times he had one or two others in the Nahe), but he wouldn't put them in the context of each other or where each was in the Nahe, it was just all Nahe. And ditto, most importantly, for the Pfalz, which ironically can be the easiest to translate to those familiar with French models by invoking its similarity to the Côte d'Or. I understand that this was a complaint of some of his former sales people, too.

Re his attitude toward dry wines, it persisted long after dry wines began to be made in a more skillful manner, and one can see it also in his resistance to the wines from Franken, Baden, and Württemberg. The ferocity with which he condemned German dry wines in his catalogs was at times embarrassing, e.g., his positing why Germans had deformed palates. He lost some great producers, e.g., Wittmann, because he only wanted their wines with residual sugar.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
originally posted by Marc Hanes:

So curiosity born out of "Hmmm, I never heard of this guy, let's try it!" isn't that much in vogue. Not that the product is out there per se anyway.

Though, in fairness to Thatcher and SommPicks, trusting a retailer to curate your wine purchases isn't necessarily the worst way to get advice on what to buy...

Yes, as a social scientist, I would wonder if we really have a sense of whether curiosity has declined over time in the population?

The identity of the 'influencers' may have shifted over time, but I'm guessing it's a pretty constant thing that the average wine consumer is not geeking out over names and details like us, and just wants someone to point them to something delicious.

I mean on some level, people are probably curious about a wider range of regions than they were in the 80s and 90s. But Marc's point is about specific unknown producers, which is slightly different.
 
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