The Spoofers Are Coming For Your Chocolate Next

originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Sometimes they reach their highest calling with more processing still, like cheese on pizza. That's not spoof either.

Not spoof. But not sure pizza is the 'highest calling' for cheese.

And in some ways, it's remarkably similar across these products. You don't use your most complex wine for sangria, you don't use your most complex chocolate for sundaes cakes or mousse, and you don't use your most complex cheese for pizza.
 
originally posted by Andrew Zachary:
If anyone wants guidance about bars/origins/etc let me know. Happy to provide notes.
I do. Please write to me. I've tasted a lot of single-origin chocolates but I am not familiar with many of their brands.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
not sure pizza is the 'highest calling' for cheese
Some cheese is made to be melted.
Well, yes: Raclette. But if you have ever had freshly made (same day) mozzarella, that might not be your first thought.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Andrew Zachary:
If anyone wants guidance about bars/origins/etc let me know. Happy to provide notes.
I do. Please write to me. I've tasted a lot of single-origin chocolates but I am not familiar with many of their brands.
Not all bean-to-bar is really that. You might want to look up some investigative reports of Mast. (https://www.eater.com/2015/12/21/10634270/mast-brothers-scandal-admitted-chocolate )
 
originally posted by mark e:

Not all bean-to-bar is really that. You might want to look up some investigative reports of Mast. (https://www.eater.com/2015/12/21/10634270/mast-brothers-scandal-admitted-chocolate )

Of course not. No category is homogeneous.

That said, while I am happy for creative artisanal products to flourish, my favorite bars are typically from the chocolatiers (still enjoying the stash brought back from Europe this summer). We then have 'regular' supermarket chocolate like Tony's for adulterated snacking (e.g. with other items), cooking, etc. The bean-to-bar stuff in stores is often quite expensive and not convincing. But, will check out this shop.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Andrew Zachary:
If anyone wants guidance about bars/origins/etc let me know. Happy to provide notes.
I do. Please write to me. I've tasted a lot of single-origin chocolates but I am not familiar with many of their brands.

Sent a DM.
 
originally posted by Andrew Zachary:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Andrew Zachary:
If anyone wants guidance about bars/origins/etc let me know. Happy to provide notes.
I do. Please write to me. I've tasted a lot of single-origin chocolates but I am not familiar with many of their brands.

Sent a DM.

If you wouldn't mind sharing some recommendations here, I would appreciate it. I'm pretty much stuck with Bonnat. I just haven't found anything that I like as much. My current stock are:

Bonnat Los Colorados, Ecuador 75%
Bonnat Madre de Dios Peru 75%
Bonnat Selva Maya 75%
Bonnat Porcelana 75%

I generally order from Bar & Cocoa who conveniently relocated to Greensboro, NC insuring quick shipment but would certainly consider another retailer.
 
Okay, happy to share some observations, bearing in mind that tastes in chocolate, like tastes in wine, cars, music, and art are all highly subjective.

My current favorites are the bars from Orfeve, a Swiss chocolate maker who makes elegant, almost graceful chocolates. All of the bars are very good, though I have a particular fondness for the Bejofo Madagascar bar which is lovely and among the best of its kind. I also like any of the Peru bars, with a slight preference for the Alto Piura bar. Many of the bars are available in a "crispy" version, and that means they've added back some of the cocoa nibs. These bars tend to be a bit "darker" tasting (whatever that means) than the regular ones.

Soma is a Toronto-based chocolate maker who makes a wide variety of straight chocolate bars, inclusion bars, and various other vaguely chocolate-adjacent products. With a few exceptions, in general I'm not a fan of inclusion bars as I think they either use inferior chocolate (why bother?) or are totally dominated by the inclusions. That said, the straight-chocolate bars range from very good to outstanding, with favorites being the Old School Dark which ends up being an homage to Sicilian-style chocolates, the Crazy 88, the Bejofo, and the Costa Esmeraldas.

For my tastes, the quality of other chocolate makers is a bit more variable, which some bars great and some, while not quite DNPIM, they do approach that. I highly recommend talking with Pepi and discussing what's in stock/good.

As usual, YMMV and I welcome all comments and suggestions for further chocolate study.
 
I think buyer beware is an important principle. It's very much bar to bar and personal taste even among high end bar producers. I found producer alone is not indicative of what I like.

Soma Crazy 88 is very good but I haven't been a fan of others I've tried.

Nathan, Porcelana is where you find the best of Bonnat. The specialty bars from Porcelana are pretty amazing.

Castronovo based in FL has some great bars too. Tumaco.
 
originally posted by Andrew Zachary:
Okay, happy to share some observations, bearing in mind that tastes in chocolate, like tastes in wine, cars, music, and art are all highly subjective.

...

As usual, YMMV and I welcome all comments and suggestions for further chocolate study.

Thanks for the recs. I will take a look.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:

Nathan, Porcelana is where you find the best of Bonnat. The specialty bars from Porcelana are pretty amazing.

Yeah, the Bonnat Porcelana is the stuff. It was the first of their sort of heritage bean, over $20 bars back in the day. Those other 4 I currently have are all excellent as well and are in the "color label" series, for lack of a better term. I find all the white label to be very good as well as distinctive from one another.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
Happily, I can enjoy both. (Not together!)

Simone Beck, Julia Child's collaborator in Mastering the Art of French Cooking, said in one of her own cookbooks that she loved serving Chateau Margaux with chocolate cake (I think her family had an interest in Chateau Margaux at the time, and wine prices were much cheaper back then anyway, so she could afford to throw it around.)

anything made by Paul Pontalier should make a very fine match with chocolate cake. I recommend Betty Crocker.
 
Am I to understand you guys are complaining about yeast microbes as unacceptable chocolate spoofery but the approved non-spoofy chocolate maker's offerings include:

Chocolat Bonnat Limited Edition 55% Milk Chocolate Bar with Roasted & Salted Peanuts
Chocolate Bonnat Limited Edition 55% Milk Chocolate Bar with Caramelized Buckwheat
Chocolat Bonnat 65% Dark Chocolate Bar with Strawberry
Chocolat Bonnat 65% Dark Chocolate Bar with Mango
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
Happily, I can enjoy both. (Not together!)

Simone Beck, Julia Child's collaborator in Mastering the Art of French Cooking, said in one of her own cookbooks that she loved serving Chateau Margaux with chocolate cake (I think her family had an interest in Chateau Margaux at the time, and wine prices were much cheaper back then anyway, so she could afford to throw it around.)

anything made by Paul Pontalier should make a very fine match with chocolate cake. I recommend Betty Crocker.
This was prior to the sale to the Mentzelopoulous family and his installation there.
 
originally posted by Andrew Zachary:

If you are interested in trying great chocolates that do indeed all taste wildly different, I highly recommend the Cocoa Store in NYC.

Stopped by the Cocoa Store earlier today and it was very impressive. Nice set up, although amazing that they get enough in-store traffic, as you must know where you are going to buzz and find it on the 6th floor!

They also mentioned that Andrew had showed them this thread and they were enjoying the banter...
 
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