TN: Savigny-les-Beaunes with age (Oct. 4, 2025)

Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
attendees: Sasha, Rahsaan, Jeff, Jayson, Jay, Dale, Craig

It is a day of glorious weather. A bistro in my neighborhood, Levant, has given us a private outside table with a huge tree to shade us from the briliant sun. We order a bunch of starter plates to pass around -- tuna tartare, zucchini pancakes, goat cheese parcels, garlic shrimp, and the like -- and most of us settle on the open-face steak sandwich as the best accompaniment to the imminent red tide of Burgundy.

But first, a primer on Savigny-les-Beaunes:
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Savigny-les-Beaunes is a pair of ridges (and valleys) southwest of Pernand-Vergelesses and Corton. As you can see, the vineyard-designated cuvees that we generally get in the US are spread out across both ridges. But the wineaux coming today own a lot of Pavelot and some Ecard so we've chosen to go with the more southerly ridge. (Sasha, being Sasha, has no holdings there so brings Chandon de Briaille from the other ridge, for which I cannot fault him.)

First up, a sparkler:

Delamotte 2008 Champagne Brut Blanc de Blancs - beautiful nose, leesy aromas but less so in the mouth, "What acidity!" -Sasha, the palate starts out heading for brioche but then discovers it wants to be lemony and "seashelly" -Jay; finish is a little light, but pretty wine overall

And that happens to be our only white wine today.

Now the reds. We served all the wines in reverse order of the vintages, though for simplicity I am reporting the '98 Pavelot in the same block its siblings.

Pavelot Savigny-les-Beaunes "La Dominode" - vintage:
2010 - "grumpy" -Sasha, "hint of VA that sharpens the nose" -Jayson, although it is an elegant nose it is also slightly rough/rustic on the palate, Sasha thinks the wine is still just folded in on itself: "'10s attain elegance only at maturity"
2008 - elegant and long, the palate is a typical red burgundy profile that hints at yellow fruit rather than dark earth, a little more juicy and red-fruited than the '10, a little more ready to drink than the '10
2007 - similar to the '08 but rather more delicate and further resolved (which I suppose means that interesting tensions are fading, making harmony more noticeable)
2006 - weaker yet, but Dale thinks this bottle is not perfect
2005 - chunky, better-integrated than the '10, but still unready and needs time; tasted again later, this has smoothed-out its kinks a bit but still hold
2004 - no greenies; again delicate, "I always serve '04 Burgundy in Bordeaux glasses" -Sasha, which he elaborates upon: the wines have little aromatic breadth but they are pure and good when focused; we all agree Pavelot did a good job with a so-so year
1998 - totally "en famille" but much more black fruit than any of the others, going strong

Chandon de Briailles 2005 Savigny-les-Beaunes - 12.5%, this immediately grabs you on entry but then relaxes its grip and makes nice
Chandon de Briailles 2005 Savigny-les-Beaunes "Les Lavieres" - wow, so much mid-palate, a Dagwood of flavors with bright red fruit, old lady's handkerchief, delicate wisps of resin, and more; wow
Marechal 2005 Savigny-les-Beaunes "Les Lavieres" - pretty nose and good palate presence but this is not in the same class as the CdB wines; serve it by itself and you'll be happy

Bize 2002 Savigny-les-Beaunes "Aux Vergelesses" - wonderful wine, less showy than the Chandon de Briaille wines but more ooomph, is that Bize or '02 talking?

Ecard 1999 Savigny-les-Beaunes "Les Narbantons" - garnet, more structure and more color than the Pavelots, more black raspberry than red cherry, in the same league as the Pavelot wines but a different take, more vigor at the expense of balance
Ecard 1999 Savigny-les-Beaunes "Les Jarrons" - this shows older... orangey color, cedar and citrus zest, still some red fruit but the acidity is receding

I retried a few bottles the next evening... Ecard "Narbantons" and Pavelot 2008 were still in fine shape but fading; the Pavelot 2004 was best of the three!

Summing up: Despite the preponderance of bottles, I didn't hear anybody rank Pavelot above Chandon de Briaille or Bize. I recall that Pavelot wines drank very nicely when young; perhaps they lost some grace as they aged; perhaps we've gotten accustomed to better as we aged. On the other hand, we saw vintage characteristics writ loud and clear so bravo to all the makers for transparency to the terroir.

Thanks to everyone who came, and thanks to Levant for lovely afternoon service.

And a nod to the Disorderly conversation that sparked the idea.

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originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

Ecard 1999 Savigny-les-Beaunes "Les Narbantons" - garnet, more structure and more color than the Pavelots, more black raspberry than red cherry, in the same league as the Pavelot wines but a different take, more vigor at the expense of balance

At the expense of balance? What was out of place? It was definitely a different type of wine than the Pavelots, I enjoyed the flavor profile more, and it did have more vigor, but I thought it was all great. Although admittedly I only had a few tastes, no extensive scientific evaluation...

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Summing up: Despite the preponderance of bottles, I didn't hear anybody rank Pavelot above Chandon de Briaille or Bize. I recall that Pavelot wines drank very nicely when young; perhaps they lost some grace as they aged; perhaps we've gotten accustomed to better as we aged.

Yes, I thought the Bize and the Briailles Lavieres were the highlights, along with Ecard Narbantons. I've never loved Pavelot and tasting this many together confirmed that. But I thought others at the table enjoyed them more, so figured it was a palate preference issue.

I can't say exactly what it is about Pavelot that doesn't click for me. The fruit always seems a bit muddled and less than vivid, and the structure doesn't have the most drive/vigor/acid shape. But the wines are perfectly 'fine', so it was a nice day all around.
 
The Bize is a glorious bottle.
Pavelot's wines in the 1990s were usually magnificent;after that not so much so, though I haven't tasted any from the last decade.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Bize 2002 Savigny-les-Beaunes "Aux Vergelesses" - wonderful wine, less showy than the Chandon de Briaille wines but more ooomph, is that Bize or '02 talking?

while amateurs should generally not be allowed to play with their second language (especially if we are talking programming languages, but i digress), i will try your patience and claim that, given all the meatiness with a dollop of orange zest, 'clos de bize' would not be a terrible pun here.
 
a bottle of ecard jarrons 93 last week was all you would expect.

and, at the risk of drifting slightly off topic, 2010 tollot beaut chorey lès beaune taken as a necessary sedative while hanging with teh hooded perverts at high table in teh oxford last night surprised me with its fresh, skippy nature. nice wine; sedation achieved.

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I thought the Pavelot wines showed consistently well, actually exceeding my expectations--like the Burgundy equivalent of good lunch claret, some very good. But the highlights for me were also the Bize and the CdB Lavieres with Ecard Narbantons on level of enjoyment of the most enjoyable Pavelot on the day, 07 and 08. I found nothing unbalanced about the Narbantons.

The Bize and CdB Lavieres were at another level of complexity, delineation, and palate presence.
 
Sounds like a lot of fun and thanks for the notes.

As a general rule, the wines from the southern slope (Narbantons, Jarrons, Dominode) are more powerful than those from the northern slope but have less delineation. My preference, if forced to choose, is the wines from the northern slope, but I'm happy to drink wines from the southern slope, too.

Chandon-de-Briailles is located in Savigny, but the best village and 1er cru wines they have are in Pernand, both my opinion and, based on the order of presentation at the estate, the estate's too.

I don't know why the surprise about Bize, often considered the finest estate in Savigny, and in the old days when they made such a distinction, Vergelesses was considered the tête de cru (best premier cru) of Savigny. The late Patrick Bize always served it as the last of his Savignys. Plus 2002 is a magnificent vintage there.

It's always interesting to visit a number of producers in Savigny because the order in which they serve the vineyards varies from one cellar to another.
 
Great tasting! My kinda event. Happy to hear 2005 Briailles Lavieres showed so well. I have 3 bottles as well as one 2005 Fourneaux. I drank one of the latter a few weeks ago and it was very nice.
 
Very nice notes and I'm always happy to learn more about Savigny.

Hopefully one day we can do a Savigny lunch sometime in SF...
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

Ecard 1999 Savigny-les-Beaunes "Les Narbantons" - garnet, more structure and more color than the Pavelots, more black raspberry than red cherry, in the same league as the Pavelot wines but a different take, more vigor at the expense of balance

At the expense of balance? What was out of place? It was definitely a different type of wine than the Pavelots, I enjoyed the flavor profile more, and it did have more vigor, but I thought it was all great.

I thought the extra structure and tannin were overweight for the flavor intensity.
Yes, I thought the Bize and the Briailles Lavieres were the highlights, along with Ecard Narbantons. I've never loved Pavelot and tasting this many together confirmed that. But I thought others at the table enjoyed them more, so figured it was a palate preference issue.

I can't say exactly what it is about Pavelot that doesn't click for me. The fruit always seems a bit muddled and less than vivid, and the structure doesn't have the most drive/vigor/acid shape. But the wines are perfectly 'fine', so it was a nice day all around.
I liked the open ones ('08, '04) of course, but, for the others, I'm still trying to decide whether Jayson's comment about 'lunch claret' is actually a compliment.

I happen to have a bottle of Ampeau '02 hereabouts so maybe I should breach it soonest.
 
Lunch claret comment is very much a compliment. Don't forget I think a lot of wines that are highly regarded from the fancy producers and villages are shite and overrated, well at least overrated.
 
i am still processing the "burgundy equivalent of lunchtime claret" comment given that official disorderly handbook attributes introduction of the term to the latin liquidator by means of 93 certan de may

the 93 doesn't lack complexity but has a relative lightness about it; some of the pavelot bottles discussed above were the opposite

i can still get onboard with the equivalence in a more general sense, perhaps along the lines of "wines that are fully satisfying but not demanding"

p.s. are we going to attempt a camus-bruchon follow up to this?
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
p.s. are we going to attempt a camus-bruchon follow up to this?

Well there is certainly plenty of Savigny that we didn't address during this lunch. Much of it farmed by Camus-Bruchon. But I thought Corton was calling!
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
i am still processing the "burgundy equivalent of lunchtime claret" comment given that official disorderly handbook attributes introduction of the term to the latin liquidator by means of 93 certan de may

It was several years ago, but I described a 2011 Rollin Ile des Vergelesses just like that at lunch with visiting Texiers.

10/26/2019 rated 92 points: This was delightful! A true lunchtime Burgundy. Seems perfectly resolved and poised from this "lesser" vintage. A slender wine but with a core of fruit and a nice latticed structure. I'm really glad we tried this.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
p.s. are we going to attempt a camus-bruchon follow up to this?

Well there is certainly plenty of Savigny that we didn't address during this lunch. Much of it farmed by Camus-Bruchon. But I thought Corton was calling!

why am i suddenly expecting jack nicholson to barge in on this thread (in a second most epic disorder cameo of all time, the first of course being kermit's contribution to the artist label controversy currently being discussed in another thread) at any minute with a "you want corton? you can't handle corton!"
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
I happen to have a bottle of Ampeau '02 hereabouts so maybe I should breach it soonest.
And here it is, on a Wednesday, by myself (well, with some Sicilian Braised Chicken and, later, my favorite seed/nut mix).

Excellent right out of the bottle. Garnet, but clear. Dark red fruit, a hint of face-powder, floral notes (but not citrus), acidity acceptable still. If I wanted to find something to criticize I might say that the structure is peeking out just a bit, but I would not recommend more time, maybe just sturdy food.

It doesn't have the voluptuousness of a Grand Cru but this is still right in the middle of my picture of Good Red Burgundy.
 
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