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. . . . . Pete
 
Mark, the Engel Clos Vougeot has long been a favorite of mine and it measured up in terrific style. The color was awe-inspiring and the aromas and tastes followed suit for the whole night. Being from an unheralded vintage, it absolutely transcended the 2000 Burgundy vintage reputation. Needless to say, everyone was effusive in their praise of this showing.

It is so sad that Rene Engel died so prematurely as he was a master craftsman.

. . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

it absolutely transcended the 2000 Burgundy vintage reputation.
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without wishing to be argumentative, i'd have thought it was generally accepted at this point that if one actually drinks burgundy, while 2000 was initially underestimated, after its initial period of lumpy uncouthness it turned out to be a vintage that has consistently provided a delightful source of openhearted, always drinkable and surprisingly long lived hooch.

in total contrast to teh #pointstasticvintagesoftehcentury that are best bought for one's descendants (unless, of course, one had always intended to enjoy them through a straw in their glory).

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originally posted by fatboy:
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

it absolutely transcended the 2000 Burgundy vintage reputation.
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without wishing to be argumentative, i'd have thought it was generally accepted at this point that if one actually drinks burgundy, while 2000 was initially underestimated, after its initial period of lumpy uncouthness it turned out to be a vintage that has consistently provided a delightful source of openhearted, always drinkable and surprisingly long lived hooch.

in total contrast to teh #pointstasticvintagesoftehcentury that are best bought for one's descendants (unless, of course, one had always intended to enjoy them through a straw in their glory).

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I beg to disagree. They gave simple pleasures but were low in acidity and high in alcohol -- not what I look for in Burgundy. Those who did acidify, e.g., Dujac and Roumier, came out aahead of the rest for obvious resaons. Outside of a parcel of Lafon than included some Volnay-Santenots-du-Milieu, I never bought a 2000 red to cellar, although I have been served some at friends's houses and in restaurants.
 
Michael, besides what Claude said, this Engel "transcended" what most vintages are reputed to be so, in my mind, it definitely qualifies with the 2000 vintage.

. . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Florida Jim: The Chard seems out of place.
What did you think?
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Jim, I'm guessing you are referring to the Corton-Charlemagne as a red wine might historically be the more conventional choice with cheese. In this case, I believe a white wine worked better with the cheese course. Perhaps another white wine might have worked better, but that might be a personal preference question.

If you are talking about the Napa Chardonnay with the Crab Tartlett, then I'm curious what you think might have worked better. This pairing worked well in my judgement.

In either case, I respect your opinion(s).

. . . . Pete
 
Pete,
For me, it is odd to see Napa Chard on a menu with mostly old world wines. Especially because my experience with Napa Chard is pretty dismal.
Admittedly “de Villaine” might signal a lighter approach but the fact of its inclusion seemed odd.
It has been a very long time since I’ve had a Chardonnay from Napa Valley that made me smile.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Pete,
For me, it is odd to see Napa Chard on a menu with mostly old world wines. Especially because my experience with Napa Chard is pretty dismal.
Admittedly “de Villaine” might signal a lighter approach but the fact of its inclusion seemed odd.
It has been a very long time since I’ve had a Chardonnay from Napa Valley that made me smile.
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My one encounter with the de Villaine/Hyde Chardonnay was enough: too oaky for my tastes by a fair margin. Times may have changed, but that was my take 10-15 years ago.

Mark Lipton
 
had 2000 and 2002 clos de beze rousseau side by side in july, and while everyone agreed the latter was a "better" wine given its potential, it was a few years away from peak while the 00 was just glorious - complex, complete, and open for business.
the comparison was instructive in that the 00, despite occupying its prime time space, would have suffered regardless should there have been any issues with its balance or inadequate complexity when placed next to its prodigious counterpart .
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Michael, besides what Claude said, this Engel "transcended" what most vintages are reputed to be so, in my mind, it definitely qualifies with the 2000 vintage.
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what did claude say? could you translate for me?

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originally posted by Peter Creasey:

It sounded like he differed slightly with you in a polite way and provided his reasoning.
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which was that all 2000s were low in acidity and high in alcohol except for dujac and roumier and anyone who acidified, and boy does he know because he never bought any and has rarely drunk them since (except, i assume, to confirm his prejudices).

from this reasoning, we can deduce two things:

first is that claude either knows for certain that engel and rousseau acidified their 2000s or else he thinks that you and teh dotster have palates comparable to teh fatfridge
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the second is that if you consider this kind of reasoning to be sufficient to determine the reputation of an entire vintage, then it seems reasonable to wonder what it was that you had hoped to convey by saying that the wine transcended it.

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originally posted by fatboy:
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

It sounded like he differed slightly with you in a polite way and provided his reasoning.
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which was that all 2000s were low in acidity and high in alcohol except for dujac and roumier and anyone who acidified, and boy does he know because he never bought any and has rarely drunk them since (except, i assume, to confirm his prejudices).

from this reasoning, we can deduce two things:

first is that claude either knows for certain that engel and rousseau acidified their 2000s or else he thinks that you and teh dotster have palates comparable to teh fatfridge
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the second is that if you consider this kind of reasoning to be sufficient to determine the reputation of an entire vintage, then it seems reasonable to wonder what it was that you had hoped to convey by saying that the wine transcended it.

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You're putting words in my mouth. I never criticized Engel or Rousseau; I criticized the vintage in general. Dujac and Roumier were just two examples I cited off the top of my head that were exceptions, but of course there are others.

Moreover, I do not consider it a failed or poor vintage or one that I refuse to drink, just one that is less interesting to me stylistically than the vintages surrounding it, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002, which are where I put my money; I still have many, many bottles from those vintages and they're all doing great, I can't think of any one of those bottles in my cellar that I would trade for its 2000 counterpart. Chaqun à son goût, or for you, Jeder hat seinen eigenen Geschmack.
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

originally posted by fatboy: teh dotster
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I don't recognize the tone of my postings in your summary posting.

Quite curious! What/who is the "dotster", please?

. . . . . . Pete
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