CWD: recent wines (2025-12)

VLM

VLM
It’s been a really challenging year both personally and professionally so it was great to end on an absolute heater with wines. It’s been a long time since I’ve had so many wines show so well right in a row. The Bordeaux on Christmas eve and Burgundies on Christmas day were stunning and the Brovia on New Year’s Eve was a monument. Even through challenges, it’s a reminder of how lucky I am.

2023 Bedrock Wine Co. Carignan Evangelho Vineyard - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Contra Costa County (12/1/2025)
Punchy, licorice tinged red fruit and a savory Carignan kick. It probably wasn't the best match to the food and my wife didn't like it at all. I think it's interesting and will be better with a couple of years to settle down. (88 points)

2016 Mount Eden Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon - USA, California, Santa Cruz Mountains (12/4/2025)
This was another fantastic vintage of this wine. Deeply fruited with black currant and cherry but with a solid graphite and granite underpinning. Some savory notes as well. There is plenty of structure, but the tannins aren't out of proportion to the fruit. Should be another long lived beauty and should improve although it works great now with a decant and an hour or more. (94 points)

2014 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Le Clos Guillot - France, Loire Valley, Touraine, Chinon (12/14/2025)
More resolved than my bottle last year, naturally. Decanted as there is a good bit of sediment clinging to the bottle. Acidity is snappy and tannins mostly resolved. Herbal tart cherry fruit and some chalky earth. A touch of barnyard here, but not enough to totally throw me off. I don't see improvement from here, but it should hold up. (91 points)

2016 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Le Clos Guillot - France, Loire Valley, Touraine, Chinon (12/14/2025)
Juicier and fruitier than the 2014. Also decanted off the sediment. Consistent with previous bottles in terms of dark berries, limestone, violets, and herbs. Although there are still some tannins, it's firmly in the zone now and drinking well. (92 points)

2013 Poderi Colla Barbaresco Roncaglie - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barbaresco (12/15/2025)
Kind of a confusing bottle. Showing both some maturing notes of balsam and spice but with imposingly young structure. Not sure exactly which direction this is heading. I have a few more bottles, so maybe revisit in 3 years or so. (89 points)

2021 Domaine du Collier Saumur Blanc - France, Loire Valley, Anjou-Saumur, Saumur (12/16/2025)
Another great vintage of this wine. Concentrated, as always, but with an airiness that only adds to the appeal. All of the normal yellow fruits, honeysuckle, etc. but with a citrusy edge, maybe due to the year. Only the smallest bit of lanolin in contrast with the 2018 from Thanksgiving (a bottle that is still kicking in the fridge and has come into better focus). Despite not being exactly cheap, this is a fantastic value relative to its quality. I like it now, but it should really hit stride in 4-5 years. (93 points)

2015 Colombera & Garella Lessona Pizzaguerra - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Lessona (12/17/2025)
A really nice showing for this wine. A nice depth has developed to the dark cherry fruit and there is a pine forest sort of top note that might be from some whole cluster. The palate has really come around such that the tannins are enough to help with food but are not intrusive at all. There is a juicy freshness to the fruit that I find really appealing and accentuates the floral lift. Good to go now but should drink well for a decade or more. (92 points)

2010 Domaine Robert Chevillon Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Cailles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru (12/19/2025)
Decanted off the sediment and started drinking about an hour later. Nice clear ruby with just a trace of maturation at the edge. Has the the spice and strawberry in addition to darker red fruits that I associate with Cailles. Has a kind of herbal intensity to it. Still seems a little reserved and the last few sips were the best. This seems very close, but not at peak yet. Give it 3 more years. (92 points)

2018 Domaine Robert Chevillon Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Cailles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru (12/19/2025)
Whoa. JFC, what a bruiser of a wine. Shows the spice of Cailles, but a darker fruit profile than normal and a lot of savory underpinning. Dense and chewy, this needs another 5 years, maybe more. I wonder if I'll wait that long? (90 points)

2011 Ferdinando Principiano Barolo Ravera di Monforte - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barolo (12/21/2025)
Oh man, this was a real throwback wine. Deeply fruited, but with big structure coated in tar. Really feels like a wine from a different era. I really enjoyed it, but it needs food. While it is a mouthful of wine, I'm not sure that further extended aging would be beneficial. I'd worry that the coarseness would win out. (91 points)

2018 Muraje Carema Riserva - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Carema (12/22/2025)
Very light colored and ethereal wine. Light berry and tart cherry fruit, some floral notes. Lattice structure. This was quite an interesting take on Carema, but it's pretty expensive. A producer I'll keep an eye on even if I don't cellar in any quantity. (91 points)

2014 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux - France, Loire Valley, Touraine, Chinon (12/23/2025)
From magnum. This is quite different from the 2015 and probably has a longer runway. Classic Grézeaux tilled dark earth and stones with some dark berries on the nose. Fresh and very linear with firm, but fine, tannins. I'll try a 750ml soon to see if it's coming along faster in that format. (91 points)

2017 Domaine du Collier Saumur Blanc - France, Loire Valley, Anjou-Saumur, Saumur (12/23/2025)
Moving along well with some classic lanolin notes poking out from the yellow fruits. Texturally suave with balanced richness and drive. (92 points)

2024 Gulfi Sicilia Valcanzjria - Italy, Sicily, Sicilia (12/23/2025)
Based on the reds, I was hoping to like this more than I did. While it is fresh enough, there is a candied quality to the fruit I don't love. It could be perfectly serviceable if nothing more appealing was available but I don't think the Chardonnay/Carricante blend works for me. (85 points)

1975 Ch“teau Trotanoy - France, Bordeaux, Libournais, Pomerol (12/24/2025)
My last bottle from a six pack won at auction a few years back and this was the best bottle of the lot. My last bottle was exactly two years ago. Really suave nose of cocoa powder covered red and black fruits. Classic hints of tobacco and earth on the palate with more finishing fruit and cocoa. Incredibly silky and composed with measured acidity keeping it fresh. Luscious without being heavy. Honestly, this was just sublime and as good a bottle of wine as I've had this year. (97 points)

1985 Ch“teau Magdelaine - France, Bordeaux, Libournais, St. Émilion Grand Cru (12/24/2025)
Lovely bottle and cork for a 40 year old wine. The provenance really showed up in the freshness, both of the nose and palate. There was was an herbal freshness to the dark red fruit with the slightest hint of cocoa and Maduro tobacco. Really lively and snappy on the palate with a mineral twang to the fruit that made it incredibly easy to drink. Absolutely superb. (95 points)

2017 Forey Père et Fils Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru Les Gaudichots - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru (12/25/2025)
Holy crap, what a nose! I've heard that the style on this has changed from blocky to suave in recent vintages and this certainly holds for this bottle. Really kaleidoscopic nose of five-spice, deeply pitched cherry, slight dusting of wood and red flowers. Silky and long on the palate with a juiciness and freshness that made it insanely east to drink. So easy that I opened another bottle because I was worried this one wouldn't make it through dinner. I've been taking my allocation dutifully for about a decade but rarely drink this wine but given how well this showed, I may start opening more regularly when the occasion calls for something special. (96 points)

2017 Jérôme Chezeaux Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru Les Suchots - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru (12/25/2025)
I opened my lone bottle of this as protection for the Gaudichots but this turned out to be almost as good! A darker profile, with deeper fruit and more earthy/forest nuance. Really showed a range of spice notes over the dark berry fruit with a savory, cep note mixed in. Really silky on the palate with juicy, driving fruit. I'm sure this will age well, but it was my only bottle and was absolutely fantastic. (95 points)

2019 Sandar & Hem Cabernet Sauvignon Bates Ranch Santa Cruz Mountains - USA, California, Santa Cruz Mountains (12/26/2025)
I just don't think that this is for me. As others have noted, lovely color but there is something odd about the fruit to me. It becomes better behaved with some air and other Bates ranch herbal notes come out. Others may like it more than I did. We ended up using the bottle for braising short ribs. (83 points)

2023 Hubert Lamy Saint-Aubin 1er Cru En Remilly Blanc - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Saint-Aubin 1er Cru (12/26/2025)
I was excited for these to come into my market and to get an allocation. This opened in the classic modern White Burgundy style with some flinty reduction and holding some CO2. Lemon curd and dense yellow fruit with nice acidity and a mineral backbone. I followed it over the next several days and it moved very slowly. I'm looking forward to following this wine's evolution over the coming years. (92 points)

2013 Bedrock Wine Co. Zinfandel Monte Rosso Vineyard - USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Valley (12/27/2025)
This was as good a bottle of Zinfandel and Bedrock as I have had. Dark magenta/ruby color with only the slightest color at the edge. Double-decanted then consumed at a restaurant about 90 minutes later. Wonderful spice on the nose with classic Zinfandel blackberries and raspberries. While it's well fruited, it also keeps it's shape with enough acidity and tannin to also highlight floral and herbal nuance. Really splendid and I wish I had more. (95 points)

2015 Domaine du Collier Saumur La Charpentrie Rouge - France, Loire Valley, Anjou-Saumur, Saumur (12/28/2025)
Really refined and complex with savory notes of bay leaf and chili as bottom notes to the currant fruit and violet flowers. Medium bodied and linear it still has plenty of tannic structure, but those tannins are fine not coarse at all. This comes across as more finely etched than Clos Rougeard reds. Certainly drinking well now but with some upside. (93 points)

2021 Tenuta Olim Bauda Barbera d'Asti Superiore Le Rocchette - Italy, Piedmont, Asti, Barbera d'Asti Superiore (12/29/2025)
Very nice. Deeply fruited with blackberries and black cherry with spice and some savory leather. The fruit really drives toward the finish with just enough acidity to keep it fresh and balanced. Really nice and may even improve with a bit of cellaring. I do hate the elongated bottle shape though. (91 points)

2024 COS Nero di Lupo - Italy, Sicily, Terre Siciliane (12/29/2025)
A fine follow up to the 2023. Perhaps a tab less juicy, but still showing berries, rocks, flowers and herbs. Nice persistence on the palate. Actually held up just sitting on the counter overnight which is not something I find all that common. Only 11.5% labeled alcohol. (91 points)

2019 Domaine Comtesse de Chérisey Puligny-Montrachet 1er Cru Hameau de Blagny - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Puligny-Montrachet 1er Cru (12/30/2025)
I've had better bottles of this as this one was a bit loose on opening. It did focus up later in the evening and was holding a bit of CO2. Lemon curd and honeycomb with chalk underneath. Good length on the palate with more of a chalky finish than a mineral one. (91 points)

2005 Fratelli Brovia Barolo Riserva 150 Anniversario - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barolo (12/31/2025)
From a magnum (it was only bottled in magnum) double decanted around 2 PM for 8 PM dinner. The first taste on opening showed a blast of fruit, but also quite a bit of structure. By dinnertime, everything had fallen into place with the fruit leveling out and the tannins integrated. The brightness and purity of the fruit is a real signature here. The fruit is graced by all of the classic Nebbiolo signatures, rose, tar, savory herbs, notes of spice. The shape of the wine on the palate and the finishing fruit on the long finish are outstanding. Really an exceptional wine drinking really well with some runway. (96 points)

2015 Domaine du Collier Saumur Blanc - France, Loire Valley, Anjou-Saumur, Saumur (12/31/2025)
The darker color and slightly burnished note had me a bit worried but air did wonders for this. Still not the best bottle I've had but it got leaner with air and became more like other bottles. (92 points)

NV Guiborat Fils Champagne Grand Cru Prisme.16 - France, Champagne, Champagne Grand Cru (12/31/2025)
Opened because we finished the two bottles of Caurés à Mont-Aigu pretty quickly and this was only a step behind. Similar profile, although more citric and did not have the same depth of fruit. At the right price, this makes a fabulous house champagne. (91 points)

2015 Guiborat Fils Champagne Grand Cru De Caurés à Mont-Aigu - France, Champagne, Champagne Grand Cru (12/31/2025)
Nose of yellow plum and a hint of cracker dough with white flowers and chalk. On the palate, you really get more fruit richness flowing into the chalky finish. Really nice showing, both bottles went fast. (93 points)
 
originally posted by VLM:

2005 Fratelli Brovia Barolo Riserva 150 Anniversario - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barolo (12/31/2025)
From a magnum (it was only bottled in magnum) double decanted around 2 PM for 8 PM dinner. The first taste on opening showed a blast of fruit, but also quite a bit of structure. By dinnertime, everything had fallen into place with the fruit leveling out and the tannins integrated. The brightness and purity of the fruit is a real signature here. The fruit is graced by all of the classic Nebbiolo signatures, rose, tar, savory herbs, notes of spice. The shape of the wine on the palate and the finishing fruit on the long finish are outstanding. Really an exceptional wine drinking really well with some runway. (96 points)

I coincidentally had this in early December and your description nailed it. Really classic Nebbiolo redolent in roses, tars, and spices. I was extremely impressed. Totally outclassed a 2000 Giacosa Falleto that was served alongside it.
 
originally posted by VLM:
It’s been a really challenging year both personally and professionally so it was great to end on an absolute heater with wines...

Sorry to hear that, but it does sound like it was a fine wine end to the year. The Forey Gaudichots sounds great and almost inspired me to try and find some, until I looked up the price. Nice that you could swim in a few bottles...
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:
It’s been a really challenging year both personally and professionally so it was great to end on an absolute heater with wines...

Sorry to hear that, but it does sound like it was a fine wine end to the year. The Forey Gaudichots sounds great and almost inspired me to try and find some, until I looked up the price. Nice that you could swim in a few bottles...

You should check out Chezeaux. Their NSG wines are still quite reasonably priced (for Burgundy). I like their Boudots quite a bit.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
... Chezeaux. Their NSG wines are still quite reasonably priced (for Burgundy). I like their Boudots quite a bit.

Will keep that in mind. Not sure I've had their wines.

They do seem available, although so many producers, can't follow everyone!
 
Sorry to hear about the personal and professional challenges, VLM. That is a great collection of wines you had, several of which I own, so thanks for the data. This was also a challenging year for me physically: plantar fasciitis and tendinitis of the right elbow impeded my normally physically active lifestyle. Hoping for a comeback year in ‘26 and hope that your fortunes improve as well.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
originally posted by VLM:

2005 Fratelli Brovia Barolo Riserva 150 Anniversario - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barolo (12/31/2025)
From a magnum (it was only bottled in magnum) double decanted around 2 PM for 8 PM dinner. The first taste on opening showed a blast of fruit, but also quite a bit of structure. By dinnertime, everything had fallen into place with the fruit leveling out and the tannins integrated. The brightness and purity of the fruit is a real signature here. The fruit is graced by all of the classic Nebbiolo signatures, rose, tar, savory herbs, notes of spice. The shape of the wine on the palate and the finishing fruit on the long finish are outstanding. Really an exceptional wine drinking really well with some runway. (96 points)

I coincidentally had this in early December and your description nailed it. Really classic Nebbiolo redolent in roses, tars, and spices. I was extremely impressed. Totally outclassed a 2000 Giacosa Falleto that was served alongside it.

It really was insanely good, glad you had a similar experience. Interestingly, it reminds me of the modern golden era of Giacosa in terms of the fruit purity.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:
It’s been a really challenging year both personally and professionally so it was great to end on an absolute heater with wines...

Sorry to hear that, but it does sound like it was a fine wine end to the year. The Forey Gaudichots sounds great and almost inspired me to try and find some, until I looked up the price. Nice that you could swim in a few bottles...

Well, remember I do buy it wholesale so it was about $125. Not cheap, but not too bad. The 2023 was almost double and is probably my last vintage buying.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:
It’s been a really challenging year both personally and professionally so it was great to end on an absolute heater with wines...

Sorry to hear that, but it does sound like it was a fine wine end to the year. The Forey Gaudichots sounds great and almost inspired me to try and find some, until I looked up the price. Nice that you could swim in a few bottles...

You should check out Chezeaux. Their NSG wines are still quite reasonably priced (for Burgundy). I like their Boudots quite a bit.

This is great advice. I really like the Chezeaux wines and the Boudots is particularly good. I'm a bit of a late convert, my oldest vintage is 2015.
 
originally posted by MLipton:
Sorry to hear about the personal and professional challenges, VLM. That is a great collection of wines you had, several of which I own, so thanks for the data. This was also a challenging year for me physically: plantar fasciitis and tendinitis of the right elbow impeded my normally physically active lifestyle. Hoping for a comeback year in ‘26 and hope that your fortunes improve as well.

Sorry to hear that, Mark. Plantar fasciitis can be really debilitating. Glad my notes could be helpful. I hope we get to share a bottle sometime soon.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Yule Kim:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:
It’s been a really challenging year both personally and professionally so it was great to end on an absolute heater with wines...

Sorry to hear that, but it does sound like it was a fine wine end to the year. The Forey Gaudichots sounds great and almost inspired me to try and find some, until I looked up the price. Nice that you could swim in a few bottles...

You should check out Chezeaux. Their NSG wines are still quite reasonably priced (for Burgundy). I like their Boudots quite a bit.

This is great advice. I really like the Chezeaux wines and the Boudots is particularly good. I'm a bit of a late convert, my oldest vintage is 2015.

My oldest is only 2019, unfortunately. I'm very late to the party.

Have you had the Vaucrains? I was wondering how they compare with Gouges and Chevillon.
 
A 2007 Forey Gaudichots was really stunningy good a couple of years back, I wasn't expecting something quite so outstanding.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Yule Kim:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:
It’s been a really challenging year both personally and professionally so it was great to end on an absolute heater with wines...

Sorry to hear that, but it does sound like it was a fine wine end to the year. The Forey Gaudichots sounds great and almost inspired me to try and find some, until I looked up the price. Nice that you could swim in a few bottles...

You should check out Chezeaux. Their NSG wines are still quite reasonably priced (for Burgundy). I like their Boudots quite a bit.

This is great advice. I really like the Chezeaux wines and the Boudots is particularly good. I'm a bit of a late convert, my oldest vintage is 2015.

My oldest is only 2019, unfortunately. I'm very late to the party.

Have you had the Vaucrains? I was wondering how they compare with Gouges and Chevillon.

Fruitier and silkier than Chevillon. I haven't had Gouges Vaucrains in a long time and I've heard of a dramatic stylistic shift there.

The Chezeaux 2019s are fantastic and don't seem to have closed down.
 
originally posted by Tom Blach:
A 2007 Forey Gaudichots was really stunningy good a couple of years back, I wasn't expecting something quite so outstanding.

Neither was I. Part of the reason I opened it was to gauge whether or not to ship some off to auction. Not now.
 
originally posted by VLM:


The Chezeaux 2019s are fantastic and don't seem to have closed down.

A bit of drift here . . .
I have no idea what the critics or others say about 2019 in Burgundy but I have had really good luck with both reds and Chablis (I buy little white Burg.). And none of them seem to have shut down much since purchase.
I’m not buying anything above $50/bottle, so my range is narrow but the wines have been really good and I felt, representative of their dirt.
Thoughts/experiences?
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
originally posted by VLM:


The Chezeaux 2019s are fantastic and don't seem to have closed down.

A bit of drift here . . .
I have no idea what the critics or others say about 2019 in Burgundy but I have had really good luck with both reds and Chablis (I buy little white Burg.). And none of them seem to have shut down much since purchase.
I’m not buying anything above $50/bottle, so my range is narrow but the wines have been really good and I felt, representative of their dirt.
Thoughts/experiences?

I really like 2019s too.
 
originally posted by VLM:

Fruitier and silkier than Chevillon. I haven't had Gouges Vaucrains in a long time and I've heard of a dramatic stylistic shift there.

Yeah, very dramatic stylistic shift. About two years ago I had the Gouges '99 Prulier side by side with the '10 Prulier, and the '99 was noticeably harder than the '10. I actually thought the '10 was drinking decently well.

I also had a '20 Clos des Porrets a couple of years ago and that was extremely ripe and a bit soft. Climate change hasn't been kind to Gouges.

I was talking to the wine buyer at the tasting where the '20 Clos des Porrets was poured, and he noted that modern Gouges is now "extremely ripe" while modern Chevillon is just "very ripe." I haven't had any post-2018 Chevillon, so I can't comment on that, but seems like a lot of estates are having some issues navigating the new normal.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
. . . but seems like a lot of estates are having some issues navigating the new normal.

Whether climate change, market trends or changing tastes, defining normal is going to be interesting to watch/taste.
‘Makes our little confab here all the more helpful.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
originally posted by VLM:

Fruitier and silkier than Chevillon. I haven't had Gouges Vaucrains in a long time and I've heard of a dramatic stylistic shift there.

Yeah, very dramatic stylistic shift. About two years ago I had the Gouges '99 Prulier side by side with the '10 Prulier, and the '99 was noticeably harder than the '10. I actually thought the '10 was drinking decently well.

I also had a '20 Clos des Porrets a couple of years ago and that was extremely ripe and a bit soft. Climate change hasn't been kind to Gouges.

I was talking to the wine buyer at the tasting where the '20 Clos des Porrets was poured, and he noted that modern Gouges is now "extremely ripe" while modern Chevillon is just "very ripe." I haven't had any post-2018 Chevillon, so I can't comment on that, but seems like a lot of estates are having some issues navigating the new normal.

Is this something that occurred in the recent run of very warm vintages, i.e. 18, 19, 20, 22 that created some sort of a perfect storm at Gouges with undesirable consequences?

When I tasted 17s from barrel, the Gouges collection was my favorite among about 40 domaines ( adjusted for terroir, ask VLM or Jayson for the formular as they, unlike me, actually went to school ). Same was true in 2012. I didn't get a chance to taste 15s and 16s from barrel but in bottle... holy smoke! I don't own their 14s for some reason.

The change at Gouges towards gentler vinification occurred around 2010, but I am still unclear on whether it affected all their wines, or just Bourgogne and village Nuits. Meadows, Gilman, Claude would be great sources for this info, I am sure. The wines are definitely easier to taste/drink young since then, but I never felt they lacked a classic character, so to speak.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Yule Kim:
originally posted by VLM:

Fruitier and silkier than Chevillon. I haven't had Gouges Vaucrains in a long time and I've heard of a dramatic stylistic shift there.

Yeah, very dramatic stylistic shift. About two years ago I had the Gouges '99 Prulier side by side with the '10 Prulier, and the '99 was noticeably harder than the '10. I actually thought the '10 was drinking decently well.

I also had a '20 Clos des Porrets a couple of years ago and that was extremely ripe and a bit soft. Climate change hasn't been kind to Gouges.

I was talking to the wine buyer at the tasting where the '20 Clos des Porrets was poured, and he noted that modern Gouges is now "extremely ripe" while modern Chevillon is just "very ripe." I haven't had any post-2018 Chevillon, so I can't comment on that, but seems like a lot of estates are having some issues navigating the new normal.

Is this something that occurred in the recent run of very warm vintages, i.e. 18, 19, 20, 22 that created some sort of a perfect storm at Gouges with undesirable consequences?

When I tasted 17s from barrel, the Gouges collection was my favorite among about 40 domaines ( adjusted for terroir, ask VLM or Jayson for the formular as they, unlike me, actually went to school ). Same was true in 2012. I didn't get a chance to taste 15s and 16s from barrel but in bottle... holy smoke! I don't own their 14s for some reason.

The change at Gouges towards gentler vinification occurred around 2010, but I am still unclear on whether it affected all their wines, or just Bourgogne and village Nuits. Meadows, Gilman, Claude would be great sources for this info, I am sure. The wines are definitely easier to taste/drink young since then, but I never felt they lacked a classic character, so to speak.

I believe that was what the buyer was implying was happening at Gouges: that the recent solar run of vintages was causing excessive ripeness in their wines.

Granted, I have only one personal datapoint that aligns with his take: the 2020 Clos des Porrets. And, I also don't really like the 2020 red Burgundy vintage in general, so that might be part of the reason I reacted negatively to that particular wine.

But, I do find it believable because I have noticed excessive ripeness in a lot of other estates' wines at tastings. For example, I remember being at a tasting that had a side-by-side of '22 and '23 Burgundies with Oregon Pinots, and a taster blurted out that the Oregon Pinots tasted more like red Burgundy than the actual red Burgundy. I kinda agreed (though I did like the '23 Guillemot Serpentiere at that tasting).
 
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