A nice new Montlouis to me

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Been travelling a lot lately, and had a wonderful meal at Urban Hill in SLC a couple nights ago.

They were pouring the '23 La Grange Tiphaine 'Clef de Sol', which was a real delight. It reminded me of Chidaine, but with a bit of a naturelle edge. Very Montlouis.

Worth checking out if you see it.
 
Pascaline turned me to that producer at Chambers sometime ago. Been buying it when it's in stock at my local retailer.
It's probably the lightest bodied Chenin I've ever had. Really enjoy it.
They make a terrific sparkling Chenin too.
 
Bill,
You just said two things that got me interested in this wine: lightest bodied Chenin and Pascaline.
Not to discount BJ’s suggestion but that’s where I live.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Bill,
You just said two things that got me interested in this wine: lightest bodied Chenin and Pascaline.
Not to discount BJ’s suggestion but that’s where I live.
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Montlouis is the feminine version of Vouvray.
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Bill,
You just said two things that got me interested in this wine: lightest bodied Chenin and Pascaline.
Not to discount BJ’s suggestion but that’s where I live.
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Montlouis is the feminine version of Vouvray.
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I guess, but Chidaine turns them out pretty robust. Had another 21 Chidaine Choisilles last night, which has been a welcome brisk alternative to the surrounding vintages. But it's also not a 'light' wine of yesteryear, and showed plenty of body yesterday.
 
This specific wine was not all that light, but the heft was needed with the food.

I like the feminine Vouvray analogy.

And Florida Jim, I'm aok with any sources of inspiration you may or may not have. At least I turned you onto the TJ Chablis.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Bill,
You just said two things that got me interested in this wine: lightest bodied Chenin and Pascaline.
Not to discount BJ’s suggestion but that’s where I live.
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Montlouis is the feminine version of Vouvray.
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I guess, but Chidaine turns them out pretty robust. Had another 21 Chidaine Choisilles last night, which has been a welcome brisk alternative to the surrounding vintages. But it's also not a 'light' wine of yesteryear, and showed plenty of body yesterday.
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Montlouis always comes across as more delicate than Vouvray for me. I can't think of a Montlouis, I've had plenty Chidaine too, that i would ever describe as robust.
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
...I can't think of a Montlouis, I've had plenty Chidaine too, that i would ever describe as robust.
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Palates may vary but have you had any of the recent vintages? 2022 and 2023 were pretty robust by my standards. When they start tasting and feeling like Anjou, it qualifies as robust to me.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
...I can't think of a Montlouis, I've had plenty Chidaine too, that i would ever describe as robust.
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Palates may vary but have you had any of the recent vintages? 2022 and 2023 were pretty robust by my standards. When they start tasting and feeling like Anjou, it qualifies as robust to me.
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i stopped buying a few years ago because i found they didn't age that well.
Robust suggests a rich flavor to me and unless it's a Moelleux I just don't identify chenin from Montlouis as rich.
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Robust suggests a rich flavor to me and unless it's a Moelleux I just don't identify chenin from Montlouis as rich.
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Flavors in 22 and 23 were pretty tropical and ripe for my tastes, with alcohols above 13%. But perhaps to your point, Vouvray may have been even richer!
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Robust suggests a rich flavor to me and unless it's a Moelleux I just don't identify chenin from Montlouis as rich.
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Flavors in 22 and 23 were pretty tropical and ripe for my tastes, with alcohols above 13%. But perhaps to your point, Vouvray may have been even richer!
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It's actually pretty incredible , to me anyway, how different Montlouis is from Vouvray considering they are just across a river from each other.

Wine is infinitely fascinating.
 
originally posted by BJ:

And Florida Jim, I'm aok with any sources of inspiration you may or may not have. At least I turned you onto the TJ Chablis.
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Indeed. I can’t imagine how many cases of that wine we’ve been through, regardless of vintage.

Which reminds me of how much I enjoy reading about new wines (to me) and authors’ reactions to them in these pages. Lots of experience and research in these threads and my cellar has benefited very nicely.
On another bored, there is a discussion about every day wines vis a vis “cellar defenders” (which I take to mean expensive stuff). Although I’m not quite there, my goal is a cellar full of daily drinkers in sufficient number to give me the chance to have a continuing “conversation” with each.
I hear of collectors dying and their cellars being appraised at remarkable values; mine will not.
But my heirs will find lots of choices for a good wine with dinner.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:

On another bored, there is a discussion about every day wines vis a vis “cellar defenders” (which I take to mean expensive stuff).
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Technically I think the every day wines are the cellar defenders. They defend your high-end ageworthy wines from getting drunk/pillaged before their time. Which was a bit funny in your response to MC. But the point was understandable nonetheless!
 
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