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05 Olga Raffault??
- Thread starter Lee Short
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Jeez, you two, I feel like I gots myself an Internet fanclub. Could I persuade you guys to take it to http://www.ratemyprofessors.com? While you're at it, you could throw in a few props for Prof L and Frank D. We can always use the morel boost in this sordid profession, you know (mycophagously speaking).
Mark
Mark
The 1996 is on the downward slope and should be consumed soon-ish. People who think otherwise don't really care about Chinon character or are just fooling themselves.
The 2005 Raffault is just OK.
I'm not sure if there is a special US cuvee, but the US importer does have a say in the blend.
2005 Grezeaux from Baudry is godwine.
Comparing Raffault and Baudry makes very little sense.
The 2005 Raffault is just OK.
I'm not sure if there is a special US cuvee, but the US importer does have a say in the blend.
2005 Grezeaux from Baudry is godwine.
Comparing Raffault and Baudry makes very little sense.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
originally posted by VLM:
All Questions answeredThe 1996 is on the downward slope and should be consumed soon-ish. People who think otherwise don't really care about Chinon character or are just fooling themselves.
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AAAHHHHaahahahahaAHHAAAAHhhaaahahahahaha!
Oh man... wow... the whole sincere air of authority tone just makes that priceless, a sidesplitter.
Kudos, VLM!
Oh, and an '89 over at Kane's a night or two back was just absolutely slurpable. Still a baby, probably doesn't have the legs of the more focused '96, but even couched in babyfat, utterly charming. Might be time to dust off a few of the '78s I still have laying around.
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by VLM:
All Questions answeredThe 1996 is on the downward slope and should be consumed soon-ish. People who think otherwise don't really care about Chinon character or are just fooling themselves.
.
AAAHHHHaahahahahaAHHAAAAHhhaaahahahahaha!
Oh man... wow... the whole sincere air of authority tone just makes that priceless, a sidesplitter.
Kudos, VLM!
Oh, and an '89 over at Kane's a night or two back was just absolutely slurpable. Still a baby, probably doesn't have the legs of the more focused '96, but even couched in babyfat, utterly charming. Might be time to dust off a few of the '78s I still have laying around.
My experience with the 1996 has been consistent for years and my experience with even older vintages hasn't led me to believe that there is a much different story to be had. 1989 and 1990 were more concentrated vintages than 1996, to be sure.
It may come down to the fact that I think after a certain point, old wines start to lose their sense of terroir, which makes them lesser wines to me.
You can believe what you want, but my experience (including tasting a few older vintages at the Salon this year) leads me to my conclusions.
Air-monkey.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
I would have agreed with you until we drank a very interesting 1955 Bourgueil in Paris a few weeks ago. At first it just had that "old-wine-ness" to it, somewhat sweet overtones, but after about half an hour it was suddenly, intensely Bourgueil.
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
I would have agreed with you until we drank a very interesting 1955 Bourgueil in Paris a few weeks ago. At first it just had that "old-wine-ness" to it, somewhat sweet overtones, but after about half an hour it was suddenly, intensely Bourgueil.
Are you sure it just wasn't cabernet franc?
I'm more likely to believe that the character of the grape variety lasts that long, especially from an industrial negoce.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
1989 and 1990 were more concentrated vintages than 1996, to be sure.
Oh, now you're just being silly, and I begin to suspect I'm being trolled. You can say a lot of nice things about the '89 (and I have), but "concentrated" would not be one I'd have come up with. It hasn't a patch on the '96s precision and focus.
originally posted by Chris Coad:
1989 and 1990 were more concentrated vintages than 1996, to be sure.
Oh, now you're just being silly, and I begin to suspect I'm being trolled. You can say a lot of nice things about the '89 (and I have), but "concentrated" would not be one I'd have come up with. It hasn't a patch on the '96s precision and focus.
Well, that is the take of those on the ground. It was specifically compared to 2005. Maybe bigger would be more palatable for you?
I totally agree that 1996 has more precision and I personally prefer it to 1989.
I've got no time for trolls. I'm earnest in that Pacific Northwest kind of way.
I've got no time for trolls. I'm earnest in that Pacific Northwest kind of way.
I'm not falling for that one.
Too general.
For instance, I've found the members of the Nooksack tribe can be very serious and earnest, where some of the Lummi Indians I've met are terrific pranksters.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
I would have agreed with you until we drank a very interesting 1955 Bourgueil in Paris a few weeks ago. At first it just had that "old-wine-ness" to it, somewhat sweet overtones, but after about half an hour it was suddenly, intensely Bourgueil.
Are you sure it just wasn't cabernet franc?
I'm more likely to believe that the character of the grape variety lasts that long, especially from an industrial negoce.
Hm, you do have a point.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
1989 and 1990 were more concentrated vintages than 1996, to be sure.
Oh, now you're just being silly, and I begin to suspect I'm being trolled. You can say a lot of nice things about the '89 (and I have), but "concentrated" would not be one I'd have come up with. It hasn't a patch on the '96s precision and focus.
Well, that is the take of those on the ground. It was specifically compared to 2005. Maybe bigger would be more palatable for you?
I totally agree that 1996 has more precision and I personally prefer it to 1989.
I've got no time for trolls. I'm earnest in that Pacific Northwest kind of way.
What are you doing on the ground?
Anyhoo, building the crazy-shack a little higher, I'm assuming you think the '89 waayyyyyy over the hill by now?
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
1989 and 1990 were more concentrated vintages than 1996, to be sure.
Oh, now you're just being silly, and I begin to suspect I'm being trolled. You can say a lot of nice things about the '89 (and I have), but "concentrated" would not be one I'd have come up with. It hasn't a patch on the '96s precision and focus.
Well, that is the take of those on the ground. It was specifically compared to 2005. Maybe bigger would be more palatable for you?
I totally agree that 1996 has more precision and I personally prefer it to 1989.
I've got no time for trolls. I'm earnest in that Pacific Northwest kind of way.
What are you doing on the ground?
Anyhoo, building the crazy-shack a little higher, I'm assuming you think the '89 waayyyyyy over the hill by now?
Haven't had it recently, so I couldn't say.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
Damn. I wanted more ammunition for future ballbusting. Nothing? I haz a sad.
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Damn. I wanted more ammunition for future ballbusting. Nothing? I haz a sad.
I'm sure it's all tired and crappy.
Happy now?
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
Woohoo!
Ah, the warm inner glow of anticipated pleasures yet to come....
Ah, the warm inner glow of anticipated pleasures yet to come....
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Ah, the warm inner glow of anticipated pleasures yet to come....
Ah, the redundancy of restating department....
originally posted by SFJoe:
I'm no expert like you guys, but a bottle of 1990 tonight at dinner pleased both me and my companions. As for whether it shows true Chinon, it depends whether you place Chinon where I do, or think it's in Burgundy as did my British colleague.
If you are saying what I think you are saying, then, exactly.
Probably not. You'd be giving Tim too much credit.originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by SFJoe:
I'm no expert like you guys, but a bottle of 1990 tonight at dinner pleased both me and my companions. As for whether it shows true Chinon, it depends whether you place Chinon where I do, or think it's in Burgundy as did my British colleague.
If you are saying what I think you are saying, then, exactly.