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Off the Record Drinking
- Thread starter Chris Coad
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originally posted by Bwood:
originally posted by VLM:
How long has it rested since shipment?
A week sitting upright on the counter in the on-deck circle.
Maybe not long enough. Mine have been resting for a good while.
I'll try one this week, only then can there be any validation.
I await your validation as anxiously as Coad awaited mine.
But, of course.
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Bwood:
originally posted by VLM:
How long has it rested since shipment?
A week sitting upright on the counter in the on-deck circle.
Maybe not long enough. Mine have been resting for a good while.
I'll try one this week, only then can there be any validation.
I await your validation as anxiously as Coad awaited mine.
But, of course.
Salut les gars,
I play guilty but...,may I suggest that Pergault is not intend to be drunk 9 monthes after release?
It showed well right after bottling by chance, but it was certainly not on purpose.
This is a low yield, VV, undestemmed, old school, cool climate syrah from the Northern Rhone.
Many non linear second order calculations led me to say that 2006 Pergault is now somewher between 5.8% and 17.6% of its potential, depending on tasting room temperature. So I'll modestly recommend to owners a little patience.
'03 is now showing its real personality, after a weird oxydo-reductive phase for the past 2 years. And '03 is really not '06...
Don't even think drinking'04 and '05. It is a total waste.
I care a lot about this bottling. Really. So give it a little chance to show what Brzme terroir and myself tried to put in it...
There is a plain bottling of Brzme made out of young vines, partially destemmed and partially carbonic maceration which is,hopefully, much more approachable these days.
Best
Eric
originally posted by Brzme:
Salut les gars,
I play guilty but...,may I suggest that Pergault is not intend to be drunk 9 monthes after release?
It showed well right after bottling by chance, but it was certainly not on purpose.
This is a low yield, VV, undestemmed, old school, cool climate syrah from the Northern Rhone.
Many non linear second order calculations led me to say that 2006 Pergault is now somewher between 5.8% and 17.6% of its potential, depending on tasting room temperature. So I'll modestly recommend to owners a little patience.
'03 is now showing its real personality, after a weird oxydo-reductive phase for the past 2 years. And '03 is really not '06...
Don't even think drinking'04 and '05. It is a total waste.
I care a lot about this bottling. Really. So give it a little chance to show what Brzme terroir and myself tried to put in it...
There is a plain bottling of Brzme made out of young vines, partially destemmed and partially carbonic maceration which is,hopefully, much more approachable these days.
Best
Eric
Now that's what I call validation.
I should have been clear, it was the Brezeme "Pergault" I was drinking. I've got my '06 and '05 Pergaults at the back of the cave.
originally posted by Brzme:
Many non linear second order calculations led me to say that 2006 Pergault is now somewher between 5.8% and 17.6% of its potential, depending on tasting room temperature. So I'll modestly recommend to owners a little patience.
...
I care a lot about this bottling. Really. So give it a little chance to show what Brzme terroir and myself tried to put in it...
I'm going to try another one, just to see.
Out of curiosity, what would you consider the optimum drinking window for this wine?
I'm sort of curious about syrah based wines in general as I'm not sure that they do well as very old wines in the same way Burgundy does.
For example, I'm not really sure I like Cornas really old. In fact, I've consumed all my 1988s.
I haven't made up my mind yet, and your input, as always, I will listen to and then throw away.
originally posted by Bwood:
originally posted by Brzme:
Many non linear second order calculations led me to say that 2006 Pergault is now somewher between 5.8% and 17.6% of its potential, depending on tasting room temperature.
Now that's what I call validation.
Well, I'm not so sure about that.
17.6% of a great wine is better than 100% of schlock.
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Bwood:
originally posted by Brzme:
Many non linear second order calculations led me to say that 2006 Pergault is now somewher between 5.8% and 17.6% of its potential, depending on tasting room temperature.
Now that's what I call validation.
Well, I'm not so sure about that.
17.6% of a great wine is better than 100% of schlock.
My bottle was more like 5.8% of a great wine.
originally posted by VLM:
Out of curiosity, what would you consider the optimum drinking window for this wine?
Like I said, '03 is beautiful now.
So I think '06 will begin to show something around 5-6 years maybe at best around 10.
originally posted by VLM:
I'm sort of curious about syrah based wines in general as I'm not sure that they do well as very old wines in the same way Burgundy does.
For example, I'm not really sure I like Cornas really old. In fact, I've consumed all my 1988s.
I mostly agree except for Hermitage.
I believe 10-15 is often the best age for most of the traditionnal NR syrahs, some being lovely at 20-25.
Old style hermitage is an other world. I have had some Comtes de Larnage bottlings from the 20s that were up to the very best. But does it still exist?
Anyway, syrah is not pinot. A syrah wine as bad as most of the pinots is not conceivable...
But I have never encountered a syrah as complex and profound as the best pinots from B.
Zachary Ross
Zachary Ross
Eric, what is your feeling about the 2000 CdR Brzme VV?
originally posted by Zachary Ross:
Eric, what is your feeling about the 2000 CdR Brzme VV?
If your cellar is cool enough, keep them. Otherwise beware of brett.
Really old school (whole cluster with a lot of pigeage for 30 days, probably too much...). Tannins and acidity are still showing too much now.
2001 is more approachable. 1999 tardive can be very nice if properly stored (very low sulfur again and brett troubles if stored at more than 12-14C, especially when young).
originally posted by Brzme:
originally posted by Zachary Ross:
Eric, what is your feeling about the 2000 CdR Brzme VV?
If your cellar is cool enough, keep them. Otherwise beware of brett.
Really old school (whole cluster with a lot of pigeage for 30 days, probably too much...). Tannins and acidity are still showing too much now.
2001 is more approachable. 1999 tardive can be very nice if properly stored (very low sulfur again and brett troubles if stored at more than 12-14C, especially when young).
I have a bottle of 1999 Mise Tardive in the cellar. Maybe I'll give it a whirl sometime soon.
Zachary Ross
Zachary Ross
originally posted by Brzme:
originally posted by Zachary Ross:
Eric, what is your feeling about the 2000 CdR Brzme VV?
If your cellar is cool enough, keep them. Otherwise beware of brett.
Really old school (whole cluster with a lot of pigeage for 30 days, probably too much...). Tannins and acidity are still showing too much now.
2001 is more approachable. 1999 tardive can be very nice if properly stored (very low sulfur again and brett troubles if stored at more than 12-14C, especially when young).
Thanks Eric.
originally posted by Bwood:
My bottle was more like 5.8% of a great wine.
Well you didn't say much about the room temperature, so it is possible.
If I had to drink a bottle of '06 Pergault now I think I'll leave it open for something like 2-4 days before pouring it.
That's what I usually do right after bottling on these wines in order to get an idea of the impact due to the bottling. Can work very well but not always.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
originally posted by Brzme:
originally posted by Bwood:
My bottle was more like 5.8% of a great wine.
Well you didn't say much about the room temperature, so it is possible.
If I had to drink a bottle of '06 Pergault now I think I'll leave it open for something like 2-4 days before pouring it.
That's what I usually do right after bottling on these wines in order to get an idea of the impact due to the bottling. Can work very well but not always.
I blame the culture of instant gratification in today's society. And Kane too, I blame Kane, as he was the host and it happened on his watch. Shame. If only he'd stepped in and done something. If only.