TN: Oh is for Ox (Selosse, Jamet, Drouhin, Huet, Etc.)

[VLM]

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Joe_Perry:
If memory serves me, I think the 1996 CFE was very clear and not dark at all. An abused bottle, perhaps?

There are valid premox concerns.

No there aren't.

News travels slowly in the south, as you've frequently demonstrated.

If you say so. Sounds to me like you're selling bundled sub-primes.

Who imports this wine again? Anything we know about that? Bad bottles of CFE that I've had have either been cooked or musty. Nothing like 1996 J-M Pillot 1ers.

Why would there be pre-mox in the wine? Where is the evidence? What does "pre-mox" even mean? Really. This stuff is all so half-baked it's like Jenny McCarthy debating an epidemiologist about vaccination.

 

[Brad Kane]

originally posted by VLM:

Who imports this wine again?

C & E.

 

[Unknown]

If you guys hijack this thread to discuss the most pedestrian wine of the night, there will be repercussions.

 

[Salil Benegal]

originally posted by Joe_Perry:
Damn, you found out about the Schaefer we opened after you left that I did not write notes about.

Nice notes/photos. Which Schaefer was this?

 

[David M. Bueker]

Hillside Select Salil - they are not spelling it correctly: Shafer.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

originally posted by Joe_Perry:
Selosse NV Rose

This is a Cru Beaujolais made into a sparkling wine ala Sparkling Shiraz.

Which is odd, given that it's 98% chardonnay.

It's not a ros de saigne. If you had said that of Bertrand Gautherot's ros, I would have nodded fully (if you like the notion of sparkling Bojo, do try his Saigne de Sorbe). But Selosse's?

Maybe you had a flawed bottle, because those descriptors sound unlike any Selosse ros I've had (and come to think of it, as bottle variation tends to be on the noticeable side with Selosse's wines, you may indeed have hit a funky one). Did you note the disgorgement date?

 

[Bill Buitenhuys]

Cool notes from Tet as usual.

Wow, Joaquin Phoenix stopped in after his Letterman appearance?

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Joe_Perry:
If memory serves me, I think the 1996 CFE was very clear and not dark at all. An abused bottle, perhaps?

There are valid premox concerns.

No there aren't.

It's just you and Jay and cooked bottles. Stop.

I think the 1996 has entered an interesting drinking phase.

The yellowing was in my bottle, consumed a few months ago, not in Joe's. Despite the color in my bottle, there were no flat sherry notes, and p'ox never entered my mind. I did think it was just becoming drinkable, compared with its rebarbative stoniness a couple of years ago, so am inclined to agree with Nathan (... *gag*)

What must it be like to be able to think of CFE as 'pedestrian?'

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Bojo

Don't ever say this again.

Maybe you had a flawed bottle, because those descriptors sound unlike any Selosse ros I've had (and come to think of it, as bottle variation tends to be on the noticeable side with Selosse's wines, you may indeed have hit a funky one). Did you note the disgorgement date?

You realize the flaw in the logic here, right?

 

[Jay Miller]

originally posted by Joe_Perry:

1990 Drouhin Chambertin: Good God, yes! Near perfect Burgundy in my mind. Say what you will about 1990 being too ripe for Burgundy but the terroir of Chambertin has never been as uninterrupted as in this wine. Regal with fine tannin and acid structure. Wow.

In my oft stated experience Drouhin is one of the producers who did well in 1990. Never had the Chambertin which is not one of their wines which I usually seek out, sounds like the 1990 was an exception.

 

[Joe Perry]

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:

originally posted by Joe_Perry:
Selosse NV Rose

This is a Cru Beaujolais made into a sparkling wine ala Sparkling Shiraz.

Which is odd, given that it's 98% chardonnay.

It's not a ros de saigne. If you had said that of Bertrand Gautherot's ros, I would have nodded fully (if you like the notion of sparkling Bojo, do try his Saigne de Sorbe). But Selosse's?

Maybe you had a flawed bottle, because those descriptors sound unlike any Selosse ros I've had (and come to think of it, as bottle variation tends to be on the noticeable side with Selosse's wines, you may indeed have hit a funky one). Did you note the disgorgement date?

Hey Sharon, I didn't notice a disgorgement date, sorry. It could have been a funky bottle, or it might just be my interpretation of these wines. The only other Selosse that I've had was the Initial and I found a lot of tannin and funk it that too.

Best,
Joe

 

[Joe Perry]

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
What must it be like to be able to think of CFE as 'pedestrian?'

On a Tuesday, wine of the night. At Tet...

 

[Sharon Bowman]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Bojo

Don't ever say this again.

I like saying it. So you'll just have to avoid with all due care any post of mine that is liable to be about wines from that region. Caveat disorder!

Maybe you had a flawed bottle, because those descriptors sound unlike any Selosse ros I've had (and come to think of it, as bottle variation tends to be on the noticeable side with Selosse's wines, you may indeed have hit a funky one). Did you note the disgorgement date?

You realize the flaw in the logic here, right?

What, in inquiring about the disgorgement date? When I was talking about Selosse Ros once with Peter Liem and David Rayer, we had an interesting set of data about a certain disgorgement being more prone to flawedness than others. (Now, if only I hadn't forgotten which. I seem to have left part of my brain in Paris.)

 

[Joe Perry]

originally posted by Jay Miller:
Never had the Chambertin which is not one of their wines which I usually seek out...

Why is that? Too much competition at that price, or...?

 

[Joe Perry]

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:

What, in inquiring about the disgorgement date? When I was talking about Selosse Ros once with Peter Liem and David Rayer, we had an interesting set of data about a certain disgorgement being more prone to flawedness than others. (Now, if only I hadn't forgotten which. I seem to have left part of my brain in Paris.)

Well, it was from an offering that Premier Cru had two years ago, in case anyone else bought some and can check the date.

I wont miss that ugly bottle staring at me from the top of the wine fridge.

 

[Jay Miller]

originally posted by Joe Perry:

originally posted by Jay Miller:
Never had the Chambertin which is not one of their wines which I usually seek out...

Why is that? Too much competition at that price, or...?

Never had a good Chambertin from them. On the other hand I've never had less than a superb Clos de Beze.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Bojo

Don't ever say this again.

I like saying it. So you'll just have to avoid with all due care any post of mine that is liable to be about wines from that region. Caveat disorder!

Maybe you had a flawed bottle, because those descriptors sound unlike any Selosse ros I've had (and come to think of it, as bottle variation tends to be on the noticeable side with Selosse's wines, you may indeed have hit a funky one). Did you note the disgorgement date?

You realize the flaw in the logic here, right?

What, in inquiring about the disgorgement date? When I was talking about Selosse Ros once with Peter Liem and David Rayer, we had an interesting set of data about a certain disgorgement being more prone to flawedness than others. (Now, if only I hadn't forgotten which. I seem to have left part of my brain in Paris.)

Bottle variation is endemic to Selosse and you must have had an "off' bottle. It begs the question of how an "on" bottle is defined.

Hipster French Lit majors, sheesh.

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by Joe Perry:
my interpenetration of these wines

Say it ain't so, Joe!

Keepin' it real,
Mark Lipton

 

[Chris Coad]

It begs the question of how

Ooh! Bingo!

 

[Unknown]

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Joe Perry:
my interpenetration of these wines

Say it ain't so, Joe!

Did I really write that? Dayquil is some bad Bojo.