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Florida Jim
Whites:

2001 Guffens-Heynen, Mcon Pierreclos Le Chavigne:
Closed on day one left overnight on the counter without being stoppered; fabulous on day two with rich, complex scents and flavors, no sign of oxidation and length to burn. A fabulous bottle opened way too soon.

2001 Dom. Roally, Mcon-Vir-Cless Tradition:
Some RS but not enough to throw off the balance of this wine; pure, clean, ripe chardonnay with lots of terroir coming through. Lovely now.

2006 Badde Nigolosu, Dettori Bianco:
Brass colored; the nose is all grapefruit and pith, flowers, ginger ale and mineral; much the same in the mouth with a bright but concentrated delivery and considerable nuance; good length. Superb with grilled chicken, caramelized onions and Caesar salad.

2004 Quintarelli, Bianco Secco:
Much more developed than on release with a nose and palate much like good Soave; a little citrus and some floral elements as accent. Makes me wonder if another 3 or 4 years will make an even bigger difference.

2006 Peter Michael, Sauvignon Blanc LAprs-Midi:
Tropical fruit nose with some citrus hints (no grassiness); full and round in the mouth with flavors that echo the nose, satin texture; good length. Alcoholic and ever so slightly kissed with oak even so, I like it.

2007 Masi, Masianco:
75% pinot grigio and 25% verduzzo, all in stainless; fresh scents of citrus, apricot and apple; flavors are less discrete but no less attractive, juicy, crisp and layered; medium length. Perfect lunch wine.

Ross:

2007 Dom. Ott, Chat. De Selle Ros:
Bone dry, ripe but perfectly balanced with strong flavors, good depth and a precision that is rare in pink wines. Charming with lobster salad.

2007 F. Cotat, Sancerre Ros:
Served ice cold and its still too sweet. For those who like sweet ros, have at it. For those who dont, bury it in the cellar.

2006 Fortitude, Ros:
From Napa, made of valdigui (sometimes called Napa Gamay) and about 12.8% alcohol; not pale; very dry with earthy strawberry flavors and a distinctly bitter note (especially on the finish) that is not altogether pleasant. Its $9 so I dont feel bad for trying it but I dont think Ill be back for more.

2007 Alta Vista, Ros:
From Argentina, a ros of malbec, 13.5%, $7 and the label indicates it was not made from saigne. Not pale; very shy nose of strawberry and stone; some strawberry and pomegranate flavors, a touch of resin and salt, some viscosity and a diffuse finish. Reticent to a fault but nothing flawed or objectionable.

2007 Mas Carlot, Ros:
55% grenache, 40% syrah and 5% mourvdre, all from saigne, $9 and 13.5% alcohol; not pale; raspberry Kool-Aid and spice nose; almost rich on the palate with solid raspberry/strawberry flavors, some depth, maybe a touch of RS, and a pretty strong finish. Certainly more generous then the foregoing wine but not necessarily better.

(Aside: I am fast becoming convinced that the paler ross are worth trying before the ones with more color. Dom. Ott, Tempier and several others I have had seem to be in the very pale category and they are certainly more complete and balanced wines than many of those that arent. So from now on, when Im trying a ros that I dont know, Ill opt for the palest wine on the rack.)

Reds:

2000 Felsina, Chianti Classico Riserva Rancia (375 ml):
Recognizably Chianti but without the stuffing to be memorable and without the depth to be worth holding.

2006 Overnoy/Houillon, Arbois-Pupillin:
Open this wine with me in attendance and be prepared to fight for your pour. About as good as any red wine of character and translucence can be. Beyond words with steak sandwiches.

2000 Beckmen, Syrah Purisima Mtn.:
Starts out closed and gently oaky with air, smoked bacon, flowers and fresh herbs emerge; much the same in the mouth but little concentration with air, significant grip; medium finish. As Spock would say, interesting, but not fascinating..

2001 Forrier, Morey St. Denis Clos Salon:
Not any green anywhere; translucent and aromatic; pinot noir in the elegant mode with laser-like definition and good sustain. Very strong wine with lots of upside.

2006 Chignard, Fleurie Les Moriers:
Quite floral on the nose; fresh cherries and flowers in the mouth; good length. Very Fleurie not as much depth and structure as the 2005 but much more recognizable to its place.

2006 Quercus Harmonia, Pinot Noir:
An Oregon pinot that is lithe, elegant, earthy, slightly austere and did not overwhelm something as lovely as baked swordfish with a fresh tomato and citrus sauce. Wild rose scents and raspberry/herbal flavors. A producer I had not heard of but one I will remember (unfortunately, I am told the winemaker is leaving the business).

2007 Luigi Bosca, Malbec Finca La Linda:
Reminiscent of both cabernet sauvignon and pinot, this wine comes across as a loosely textured Pomerol - as though the merlot based aspects of a Bordeaux were allowed to dominate. This producer makes a very well-balanced version that has sufficient concentration to be impressive and the elegance to be fine accompaniment to food. I have been trying more malbecs these days and this is my favorite so far. $13 full retail worth a try.

2007 Conquista, Malbec:
From Argentina, 13% alcohol and $7. I suggest having this in a Burgundy stem very pinot-like on the nose but fuller across the palate with lots of red fruit, some floral tones and a fairly resolved structure. Not a wine for the cellar but more than good with dinner. Very easy to drink.

Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
(Aside: I am fast becoming convinced that the paler ross are worth trying before the ones with more color. Dom. Ott, Tempier and several others I have had seem to be in the very pale category and they are certainly more complete and balanced wines than many of those that arent. So from now on, when Im trying a ros that I dont know, Ill opt for the palest wine on the rack.)

I've had the same experience and apply the same general rule of thumb.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:

2006 Peter Michael, Sauvignon Blanc LAprs-Midi:
Tropical fruit nose with some citrus hints (no grassiness); full and round in the mouth with flavors that echo the nose, satin texture; good length. Alcoholic and ever so slightly kissed with oak even so, I like it.
They must have changed the recipe for this quite a bit. A kiss was not the metaphor that would have leapt to mind for the last vintage of this I tried.
 
They must have changed the recipe for this quite a bit. A kiss was not the metaphor that would have leapt to mind for the last vintage of this I tried.
Actually, it's always been a pretty reasonable wine (as CA SB goes). They just ask a stupid price for it.

I want to know how long to hold onto the Cotat rose. I found one stray 2005 and wonder whether I should queue it up for this year or not.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
They must have changed the recipe for this quite a bit. A kiss was not the metaphor that would have leapt to mind for the last vintage of this I tried.
Actually, it's always been a pretty reasonable wine (as CA SB goes). They just ask a stupid price for it.

I want to know how long to hold onto the Cotat rose. I found one stray 2005 and wonder whether I should queue it up for this year or not.
Probably not. I'm drinking '99s and '00s now, but that's because only Jeff Connell was smart enough to buy enough in '96.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Florida Jim:

2006 Peter Michael, Sauvignon Blanc LAprs-Midi:
Tropical fruit nose with some citrus hints (no grassiness); full and round in the mouth with flavors that echo the nose, satin texture; good length. Alcoholic and ever so slightly kissed with oak even so, I like it.
They must have changed the recipe for this quite a bit. A kiss was not the metaphor that would have leapt to mind for the last vintage of this I tried.

Maybe Glasgow-kissed with oak?
 
Thanks for the advice. I'll rotate it to the back somewhere.

Darn! What Loire wines can one drink now? (Hipster savennieres, I suppose, before it all oxidizes....)
 
2006 Overnoy/Houillon, Arbois-Pupillin:
Open this wine with me in attendance and be prepared to fight for your pour. About as good as any red wine of character and translucence can be. Beyond words with steak sandwiches.

So it seems you enjoyed it. But what's the wine like, to someone who doesn't know it at all?
 
Jim, assuming you've tried some of the Verget line, do you find the Guffens-Heynen wines similar in character? (With a couple of exceptions, I've found the winemaker imprint a little too large for my tastes on recent vintage Verget Macons...wondering if the GH's are much different.)
 
Joel,
Bad assumption. I have no reference points for comparison.

Jeff,
I really dislike sweet (or demi-sec) rose so it goes in the back of the cellar - maybe ten years.

Chris,
You're familiar with their wines; 2006 is richer and fuller but with no less interest.

Its been years since I've had the Peter Michael, Sauvignon and I really have no recollection of what it was like. This bottle was pretty nice - I'm not going to buy any, but I enjoyed it at a friend's house.

Think pink. Pale pink.

Best, Jim
 
Think pink. Pale pink.

Me three.

Two questions/observations:

1) not only do I tend to be more satisfied with more pale-colored pinks - there are a few exceptions - but I also consider the color balance. On a spectrum with orange and yellow at one end and blue at the other, I will tend to prefer the middle but leaning to the yellow/orange side. I interpret this as an indication of natural acidity (akin to brick colors in red wines, vs. purplosity) as well as oxygenation in the aging of it. Obviously you can get plain old tired oxidized wine this way, but so far it hasn't been a problem, not this decade anyway. Thoughts?

2) There are two off-dry pink wines that I like, both of which respond well to age: Belliviere's Giroflees and Domaine Faillenc Sainte Marie's Ros des Glacires. The latter in a 2006 I had real trouble drinking young, but not because of the sugar; it tasted too stemmy and green. I left it for a year and found it to be adorable. I think my appreciation for these wines young moves forward (younger) the more I drink them. Is there any evolution in the spot at which age fulfills the potential of these wines for you?
 
...Domaine Faillenc Sainte Marie's Ros des Glacires...

I am not one to speak with any authority on roses, simply because I don't drink that many of them, but this is one wine that any time I drink it, I feel like I am coming home again.
 
originally posted by Putnam Weekley:
. . . I will tend to prefer the middle but leaning to the yellow/orange side. I interpret this as an indication of natural acidity (akin to brick colors in red wines, vs. purplosity) as well as oxygenation in the aging of it. Obviously you can get plain old tired oxidized wine this way, but so far it hasn't been a problem, not this decade anyway. Thoughts?
I don't know of any direct correlation between color and acidity, as such. Whether color may be indicative is beyond my knowledge but on first blush (ahem) I suppose its possible.

2) There are two off-dry pink wines that I like, both of which respond well to age: Belliviere's Giroflees and Domaine Faillenc Sainte Marie's Ros des Glacires. The latter in a 2006 I had real trouble drinking young, but not because of the sugar; it tasted too stemmy and green. I left it for a year and found it to be adorable. I think my appreciation for these wines young moves forward (younger) the more I drink them. Is there any evolution in the spot at which age fulfills the potential of these wines for you?
I've not had that pink.
In a slightly related vein, I am finding some of the 2004 Burgundies from better producers to be morphing from a fairly green profile to simply an austere one - which surprises me.
Best, Jim
 
..In a slightly related vein, I am finding some of the 2004 Burgundies from better producers to be morphing from a fairly green profile to simply an austere one - which surprises me.

uh-oh -- Thread-drift approaching!!

The few 2004 Bungundies I've had have been pleasant wines indeed, with no green vegetables on the table. Course, I've never equated green=bad, unless its overdone.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:

I don't know of any direct correlation between color and acidity, as such. Whether color may be indicative is beyond my knowledge but on first blush (ahem) I suppose its possible.

Best, Jim
More than possible, likely. If you think back to high school chemistry to a pH indicator like phenolphthalein, it was colorless in solution and then changed dramatically as you passed through a particular pH range. There are many colored compounds in wine that alter color with pH changes.

You could do the experiment! Add a little baking soda to your brick red cabernet and see what happens.
 
In a slightly related vein, I am finding some of the 2004 Burgundies from better producers to be morphing from a fairly green profile to simply an austere one - which surprises me.
Best, Jim

I found this too, studied using various Marechal wines as proxies. Spring 2006 they were buxom and fruity. By fall, and through the early part of 2007 they tasted to me like someone had steeped boiled kale in them (sensitivities varied). I did not worry. It's an advantage of blind faith in the source. Gradually, very gradually, and as I hoped/expected/rationalized, the green bitterness resolved, until, only a few weeks ago, a 2004 Cuvee Gravel tasted really sophisticated and delicious; the only herbaceousness was more like a perfectly judged bouquet garni nestled warmly in an embrace of pure ripe berry essences. I suspect the wine will drink perfectly well for a few years more, but that was my last bottle. A shame.

Some of the more spoofy Burgundies did not show me this vegetal streak (one being the negociant Nicolas Potel range IIRC) but then others did. I think Rene Leclerc and Pacalet escaped somehow, but I didn't collect enough data to say for sure. Maybe it was a Beaune thing. I can't be sure now.

Interestingly I found the vegetal/2004 phenomenon to extend into some Beaujolais, in particular Roilette cuvee tardive. I am due to redrink that wine though. Maybe this week I will.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Florida Jim:

I don't know of any direct correlation between color and acidity, as such. Whether color may be indicative is beyond my knowledge but on first blush (ahem) I suppose its possible.

Best, Jim
More than possible, likely. If you think back to high school chemistry to a pH indicator like phenolphthalein, it was colorless in solution and then changed dramatically as you passed through a particular pH range. There are many colored compounds in wine that alter color with pH changes.

You could do the experiment! Add a little baking soda to your brick red cabernet and see what happens.

Always nice to have somebody who knows a little chemistry around. And I think I'm going to follow your experiment suggestion with my next Napa cab.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Florida Jim:

I don't know of any direct correlation between color and acidity, as such. Whether color may be indicative is beyond my knowledge but on first blush (ahem) I suppose its possible.

Best, Jim
More than possible, likely. If you think back to high school chemistry to a pH indicator like phenolphthalein, it was colorless in solution and then changed dramatically as you passed through a particular pH range. There are many colored compounds in wine that alter color with pH changes.

You could do the experiment! Add a little baking soda to your brick red cabernet and see what happens.

Always nice to have somebody who knows a little chemistry around. And I think I'm going to follow your experiment suggestion with my next Napa cab.
Best, Jim
You may need to titrate the Napa cab in the other direction! Maybe some vinegar. Though you could try it in both directions.

Or start with your Fiefs Vendeens and go up with baking soda.
 
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