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2007 Ppire Muscadet de Svre-et-Maine
Great accompaniment to oysters and another delightful wine from Marc Ollivier. The man is a genius and if you arent drinking his wines, you are a fool. If you live near New York and don't go to the dinner Sunday March 22 put on by Chambers St. you are a traitor.

1998 Domaine de l'Oratoire St Martin Cairanne Cuve Prestige
Unfortunately, this was sliding down the other side of life. After a very promising 2000 that seemed too young, I thought that this would be just right. I am at a loss as to what to make of these wines. Im going to start diving in to my 1999-2001 Haut Coustias and see what they are doing and hopefully get a better sense of things.

2001 Pascal Granger Julinas Cuve Spciale
Showed very well. Had gone totally pinote. Im not always the hugest fan of Granger, there are so many better producers out there, but when they are good, they can be very, very good. Easily the best of the reds, with a warm earthy embrace, some dried fruit, and great balance. Very nice accompaniment to the food. No reason to hold if you have them, enjoy.

2004 La Bastide Blanche Bandol
This was just OK. I realize it is young, but it showed sort of murky, which has long been my experience with Bastide-Blanche. The best Bandol, like Pradeaux and Pibarnon show good definition when young, even if they can be painful.
 
I'm so glad you're posting tasting notes, VLM. Makes me really appreciate them when they're as skillfully drawn as yours.

Agree about the 2007 Ppire. Had that with a plateau de fruits de mer on Saturday, and it was impeccable. Impeccably brilliant.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
I'm so glad you're posting tasting notes, VLM. Makes me really appreciate them when they're as skillfully drawn as yours.
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I do what I want.

Agree about the 2007 Ppire. Had that with a plateau de fruits de mer on Saturday, and it was impeccable. Impeccably brilliant.
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Can you think of a better combination? Well except maybe 2002 Briords.
 
Yo Monkey man.

Thanks for the Bandol note.
We drank a fair amount of Bastide Blanche, mainly because our local store carries it, and Bandol is my wife's favorite right now. The 2001 was really good young, it reminded me of an old world version of petit syrah, sort of. No murkiness in the 2001, just big fruit with big bones. I agree with you about the '04, it is a little muddled right now. I hope it will sort itself out. I guess my favorite Bastide Blanche is the Fontanieu cuvee. The 1998 of this is just starting to open up.

The vignerons are in Seattle today! I'm excited to meet them, but I'm feeling a little guilty. I feel as if I've been underpaying for Pepiere and Brun wines for years.
 
originally posted by Thor:
Monkey, have you had the '02 version of that Granger recently?
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I have not, but given the performance of this wine over the years, I'd expect it to be exemplary.
 
A local merchant was closing it out, and so I loaded up. I've had mostly positive experiences with them, so I wasn't worried it would be bad, just wondering about current maturity.
 
originally posted by VLM:
Mediocre except for Marc
2007 Ppire Muscadet de Svre-et-Maine
Great accompaniment to oysters and another delightful wine from Marc Ollivier. The man is a genius and if you arent drinking his wines, you are a fool.
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Just opened our first bottle of this. Clear, mineral, great stuff. Went well with a light dinner of salad, breadsticks and some leftover BBQ from last night.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by VLM:
Mediocre except for Marc
2007 Ppire Muscadet de Svre-et-Maine
Great accompaniment to oysters and another delightful wine from Marc Ollivier. The man is a genius and if you arent drinking his wines, you are a fool.
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Just opened our first bottle of this. Clear, mineral, great stuff. Went well with a light dinner of salad, breadsticks and some leftover BBQ from last night.

Mark Lipton
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Same bottle on my table tonight.
It went surprisingly well with green chile posole stew.
I think it was the tangy tomatillos that made the match.
 
So I take it '07 Pepiere regular is more open right now than Briords? At my latitude '07 Briords currently seems to need nearly a week open in the fridge to give up the goods.
 
originally posted by slaton:
So I take it '07 Pepiere regular is more open right now than Briords? At my latitude '07 Briords currently seems to need nearly a week open in the fridge to give up the goods.
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The regular '07 is ready to drink, about an hour of air and it was very good.

On the other hand, the 2005 Breton Clos Senechal takes about 3 days to open up. But its very good when it does.
 
originally posted by Marc D:
On the other hand, the 2005 Breton Clos Senechal takes about 3 days to open up. But its very good when it does.
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Indeed your CT note is consistent with my own recent experiences. Given that wine's early showings and potential for future godwine status I've vowed not to open another bottle for a long time.

And a recent bottle of the 2006 was pretty grumpy as well. Come to think of it, it's been a long time since I've had a Breton that was particularly generous. Maybe I need to drink some d'Ivresse.
 
originally posted by slaton:
originally posted by Marc D:
On the other hand, the 2005 Breton Clos Senechal takes about 3 days to open up. But its very good when it does.
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Indeed your CT note is consistent with my own recent experiences. Given that wine's early showings and potential for future godwine status I've vowed not to open another bottle for a long time.

And a recent bottle of the 2006 was pretty grumpy as well. Come to think of it, it's been a long time since I've had a Breton that was particularly generous. Maybe I need to drink some d'Ivresse.
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The '05 Nuits is closed too. Maybe a recent Trinch?
Do you have 2002 Clos Senechal? That is ready, but you can hold it too.
2007 Baudry Grange is ready to drink. Not Breton or Bourgueil, but easy and good.
 
originally posted by Marc D:
originally posted by slaton:
originally posted by Marc D:
On the other hand, the 2005 Breton Clos Senechal takes about 3 days to open up. But its very good when it does.
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Indeed your CT note is consistent with my own recent experiences. Given that wine's early showings and potential for future godwine status I've vowed not to open another bottle for a long time.

And a recent bottle of the 2006 was pretty grumpy as well. Come to think of it, it's been a long time since I've had a Breton that was particularly generous. Maybe I need to drink some d'Ivresse.
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The '05 Nuits is closed too. Maybe a recent Trinch?
Do you have 2002 Clos Senechal? That is ready, but you can hold it too.
2007 Baudry Grange is ready to drink. Not Breton or Bourgueil, but easy and good.
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The Breton wines are pretty tannic in 2005 and 2006. I found the 2005 Trinch! a bit charmless.

The 2004 Nuits D'Ivresse is drinking well right now and I've been drinking my 2004 Galichets and Beaumont, both of which I prefer.

The 2004 Baudry Domain is joyous.
 
originally posted by slaton:
So I take it '07 Pepiere regular is more open right now than Briords? At my latitude '07 Briords currently seems to need nearly a week open in the fridge to give up the goods.
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I've had both the '07 regular and Briords a couple of times now (though never at the same sitting) and the regular Muscadet is definitely more 'open' now. For lack of a better term, it sure is more fun to drink at the moment. Though, since I've never had an aged Briords I can't say whether the '07 will be better years from now or if there's just a little less stuffing to it as compared to the regular.

On a side note, last Friday after a tasting of some Guiberteau's, the importer opened a bottle of the 1991 regular Muscadet from Pepiere that he had brought from his storage. It was the first time I had had a aged Muscadet, ever. I couldn't believe how light on it's feet and fresh it still was. Needless to say, it didn't last long in the glass, but I wish I could have spent more time with it. At first, I really got a prominent melon (like honeydew) taste which dissipated and became a little more dill/herb-y after a bit. I'm a little frustrated now by having that '91; I want more but it'll probably be a long time before that happens again.
 
Let's not get carried away.

Yes, the 1988 can be magnificent, but not every vintage does this. I have no 2006 in the cellar and won't cellar 2007. I'm getting into my 2004s and haven't touched my 2005s. 2008 will be one for the cellar. I am sitting on a few 2002s, but that's as far back as it goes. I'd love to have some 1996 and the 1995 showed well this year at Marc's.

I disagree with David about never having had a mature Briords.
 
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The Breton wines are pretty tannic in 2005 and 2006. I found the 2005 Trinch! a bit charmless.

The 2004 Nuits D'Ivresse is drinking well right now and I've been drinking my 2004 Galichets and Beaumont, both of which I prefer.

The 2004 Baudry Domain is joyous.
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It was very interesting tasting young vintages of Breton next to Baudry last Wednesday in Seattle. The young Breton Bourgueil wines were dark and tough to get a feel for, although I thought the '06 Perrieres was a step ahead of the rest.
The Baudry wines were friendly, with softer tannins and were easy to get a feel for in a short tasting. I'm guessing a little of it has to be the Bourgueil vineyards vs Chinon, but also there must be some different techniques involved.

I don't really know and would love your perspective, since you visit both Domaines.
 
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