nwr - Dead Phish

Joel Stewart

Joel Stewart
the first time i heard them i was driving thru an electric storm in idaho on the way to a fly fishing spot...i thought they were the new gen's version of Yes

comparisons to the Dead were mute to my ears

the latest phishead response i read online was: "i went to the dead and the music was cool but people were old"....."then i went to phish and they were my age, so i stuck with phish".....

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i saw string cheese when they were a tiny band with a following of bra-less beauties with hoolahoops.....now that's something the dead didn't think of!!! (the hoolahoops i mean)

to be honest tho....what STI was trying to pull off musically, i'd already seen RTF (Return to Forever) with Chick, Stanley, Al and Lenny, do it in spades 10 yrs earlier, musically, at least. It's hard to watch bands get copied when you've been there and seen the best form......why should I sit there and watch drummers drop beats and guitarists miss notes, when Lenny and Al nail them right and left??

Phish at least has the muscle...gotta give them cred for that. Technically they are up there,(tho they may not try the gymnastics that RTF did, they have their own tricks)....and to be honest, Phish applies a higher level of musical standards than any other so-called "jam band" out there....STI can't take it out there, if you ask me. And, well Phish's outer adventures seem pretty well pre-calculated. Sorry my psychedelic laced parameters have already been set by the guys who took the music outside for breakfast.

If you listen to the whole first day of the recent Phish 3 day gig, it sounds like Trey is the prima donna....and it's tiring. Hey, Jerry, for that matter was the prima donna of the dead, BUT, the dead as always, was working towards a band alchemy, no? THIS, to me, is what draws the line between the dead and so called "jam bands" (aside from the wholly obvious fact that none other than the dead cut their teeth on the kesey acid tests, which, if you know of what i say, draw the line between on and off the bus).

that said, here is what i hear from phish that i like:

surprising technical precision... a bizarre monk/zappa/Yes/ beefheart like format (the world needs more of this kind of musical playfulness)

solid, but non-formulaic (well, to a point) guitar solos....(i've done some research on the band's guitars and if you care, it's worth a detour) let's say this......trey squeezes an awesome, original sound from his carefully feedback controlled guitar. his style is very duane allman-like lyrical. it's obvious he grew up listening to the right generation and he also hooked up with the right musicians to express something vibrant and unique. Perhaps a bit too emoti-music? I can only take the Santana crying feedback guitar sound so long, but he does play well...and not at all Jerry sounding!

other than that (now that i've gotten the shism out of the way, i can freely fly my freak flag for Phish......because i can't get a hard on for seeing the dead without Jerry).

oh yeah...the co-op bubbly, blanquette de limoux 04 was exquisite, mauzac is more dead than chard to phish. rusty rusticity counts over perfection
 
keeping true to title...we had "hata-hata" broiled the other night. a small fish only second to the "shishamo"...which in itself is about 6" long, silvery blue and a poor mans' delicacy. with sake, the flavors don't get any better. hata hata is not a blue fish, but about the same size...tho more natural butter inside. no waste over here...and everything works in combo, well.
 
Joel, sorry you didn't enjoy SCI. At least you got to see the hulu hoopsters.

I went to many Dead shows, but the first time I saw Trey play was at a memorial concert for Jerry, 10 years after he died. It was in 2005 at the Greek Theater in Berkeley CA. He played with Michael Kang of SCI, and they did a great job on Eyes of the World and Franklins Tower. To me it seemed like Trey had a real feeling for the Dead's music. I am sorry I never saw Phish after listening to Trey that night.
 
originally posted by Marc D:
Joel, sorry you didn't enjoy SCI. At least you got to see the hulu hoopsters.

I went to many Dead shows, but the first time I saw Trey play was at a memorial concert for Jerry, 10 years after he died. It was in 2005 at the Greek Theater in Berkeley CA. He played with Michael Kang of SCI, and they did a great job on Eyes of the World and Franklins Tower. To me it seemed like Trey had a real feeling for the Dead's music. I am sorry I never saw Phish after listening to Trey that night.

kang seems a lesser musician than trey....though those 2 songs are hard to screw up. trey is quoted as being a huge jerry fan. for better or worse, i hear more santana and holdsworth in his sound, but at any rate, i guess part of the point of the original post was to say (grudgingly albeit) that i found some merit in phish's music, and trey's guitar approach. fwiw (for a techie conversation here) he plays a custom shallow bodied hollow body....looks partly based on rickenbacker and gibson models and purposely designed to create feedbck (which trey controls very well....if using too much for my tastes).

may phish tour enough again to do some of those note for note dead halloween shows....that, i'd like to see. hoola hoop girls welcome...
 
You know what separates Phish from the Dead?

I'm young enough to have 'grown up' listening to Phish, and although I never "toured," I can claim over 10 shows. Not many, but a nice smattering of blurry moments.

Back to the question: the Dead never commanded $800/night for a scalped ticket. WTF???

That recent 3-day gig you mentioned, Joel, ppisses me off more than anything. I played the lottery and didn't get tix, and then went online first thing when the tix went on sale only to be denied; too late. Of course, 10 minutes later, scalped tickets were on sale on for over $1000.

Trey, Mike, John, and Page are smart guys. I wish they went old school and made the tickets available at walk-up Ticket-Masters. Anything would have been better than the system they set.

It was nice of them to let me download the sets for free off of their website though. Especially since I won't spend $800 on a bottle of wine, let alone a ticket giving me entrance to a night of melodic debauchery.
 
yeah, the free download was nice...i only got the first night (still enjoying a lot of it) before they closed that up.

now that the, er, "Dead" are themselves touring again, and doing ticket lotteries as well, it seems a comparison could be made. I'm curious what the scalping rates are for those shows. even if Jerry was alive, i know i don't have $800 to throw at a single night of fun.
 
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