Joguet question

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Cristian Dezso

Cristian Dezso
I'm contemplating getting a few bottles of Clos de la Dioterie. Anyone tried lately either of the 96, 98 or 99 bottlings?

Thanks,

Cristian
 
I recall thinking the '98 being a bit too raspy. I would get both the '96 and '99. But if you want a Cab Franc fix there are probably better choices.
 
The '96 was decent but overpriced. Not much of a fan of the later-90s wines. Fell out of touch, many much more interesting producers to choose from.
 
Try the 2005 Petites Roches instead. Excellent, can drink now (with a loooong decant) and costs a pittance compared to Dioterie and Chene.
 
Thank you. I did not yet come across an older Baudry or Breton, so I thought this might be a decent option at $25.

Cristian

Oh wait, right, we had a 1994(?) Baudry when Nathan was in DC.
 
originally posted by Cristian Dezso:
Thank you. I did not yet come across an older Baudry or Breton, so I thought this might be a decent option at $25.
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Christian,
With due respect for the responses you've already gotten, $25 for the '96 Dioterie is a very good price for a wine with good character and some finesse. I would buy several at that price.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
originally posted by Cristian Dezso:
Thank you. I did not yet come across an older Baudry or Breton, so I thought this might be a decent option at $25.
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Christian,
With due respect for the responses you've already gotten, $25 for the '96 Dioterie is a very good price for a wine with good character and some finesse. I would buy several at that price.
Best, Jim
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I agree with Jim. 1996 was a good vintage for Jouguet. The last one until the recent re-emergence.

Coad doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. He'd tell you to get some 1996 Raffault and sit on it another 10 years.

That 1993 Baudry Domain was lovely. I bought another case of 2005 when I got home.
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Wait, is someone selling '96 Raffault? Cause I'm all over that shit.
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I had the Olga '96 Picasses last night (over two nights actually), and I'm not selling it - no way. I will keep it for a long time, thank you very much.

I started to say something in response to Cristian's question, but no, I haven't tasted neither the '98 nor the '99 recently. In fact I haven't tasted them since they were first presented at the Salon d'Angers when they were heartbreaking disappointments. So, I came to the view that 1996 was the last Joguet vintage - which it was. I have had Clos de la Dioterie from that vintage about a year ago, my first taste since the wine was released. This is a great wine, one that I will keep even longer than the aforementioned Picasses.

But I never understood why they fell off. The winemaker Michel Pinard, who took over in 1997, was alledgedly the winemaker before Joguet retired as well (and the vineyard manager was the same, etc.) But now, Pinard has retired and F-X Barc has taken over the winemaking, as of 2005 I believe. So, if current vintages are showing improvement, perhaps we have our culprit.

They should be one of the top houses in Chinon given the quality of their vineyards. Here's hoping they are getting back on track.
 
Hart Davis Hart in Chicago - which I understand is good. So I got one Dioterie and left the rest for whoever else is interested. FWIW, they also have the 98 and 2000 Clape Cornas at what I think are decent prices.
 
originally posted by Cristian Dezso:
Hart Davis Hart in Chicago - which I understand is good. So I got one Dioterie and left the rest for whoever else is interested. FWIW, they also have the 98 and 2000 Clape Cornas at what I think are decent prices.
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Christ, Christian, we've got the Clape again.
 
originally posted by Cristian Dezso:
Hart Davis Hart in Chicago - which I understand is good. So I got one Dioterie and left the rest for whoever else is interested. FWIW, they also have the 98 and 2000 Clape Cornas at what I think are decent prices.
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I've been all over this latest email they sent out. I just picked up the '97 Clape along with some '97 Verset (I'll do a comparison and see who I dig more) and a few burgs. I mean, '96 JL Trapet Chambertin for $45?!? Worth a go.

You shouldn't have any worries with HDH. Everything I've picked up from them has been fine. You never know, but chances are, it's good (my friend does most all of the inspecting and he's pretty anal when it comes to making sure things look good).
 
originally posted by VLM:
Christ, Christian, we've got the Clape again.
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I know I know. Sorry about that. Though I have to say that your timing was off in that you should have come to DC a few weeks earlier. The 80 and 99 Clape were that good - especially since we didn't have any Allemand.
 
originally posted by Cristian Dezso:
originally posted by VLM:
Christ, Christian, we've got the Clape again.
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I know I know. Sorry about that. Though I have to say that your timing was off in that you should have come to DC a few weeks earlier. The 80 and 99 Clape were that good - especially since we didn't have any Allemand.
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Cristian,
Have no fears about HDH. I've been dealing with them since before they were HDH, and their storage and attention to provenance is meticulous. They are one of those retailers who have no real storefront presence (there is an office and a cellar, nothing more) so dealing with them from afar is pretty much their SOP.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:

Cristian,
Have no fears about HDH. I've been dealing with them since before they were HDH, and their storage and attention to provenance is meticulous. They are one of those retailers who have no real storefront presence (there is an office and a cellar, nothing more) so dealing with them from afar is pretty much their SOP.

Mark Lipton
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Also they warn you when something looks wrong about the bottle, like "signs of past seepage", etc.

I have had good luck with wine purchased from HDH also.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
originally posted by Cristian Dezso:
Thank you. I did not yet come across an older Baudry or Breton, so I thought this might be a decent option at $25.
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Christian,
With due respect for the responses you've already gotten, $25 for the '96 Dioterie is a very good price for a wine with good character and some finesse. I would buy several at that price.
Best, Jim
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I agree, Christian, '96 at $25 trumps the 05 Petites Roches. I didn't have all the facts and was assuming 2005-like prices for the Dioterie.
 
originally posted by VLM:

I agree with Jim. 1996 was a good vintage for Jouguet. The last one until the recent re-emergence.
[...] I bought another case of 2005 when I got home.
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I obviously have bad tastes. I have fond memories of the Chene Vert '97 and had a perfectly decent Dioterie 2000 recently. Of course, my vision is skewed since we haven't ever really seen other producers up north. I however didn't find much to enjoy in the '05s: I found them big and weird for Franc. Should I give them another go now that they have had more time in the bottle?
 
It's only $25? I remember these wines being somewhere around $35 on release ten years ago, back when Raffault was $15. I think one of the pointy people liked them or something. I figured they'd be cracking $50 by now.
 
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