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2005 Brun l'Ancien was shit the other night. Recorked and into fridge to see if anything good happened overnight. Nope. Not just that, but had that marzipan thing that is woe begotten.

This was a magnificent young wine. After my heartbreak with the 2002 and now this i may be done with cellaring l'Ancien, which is a shame given how it can develop in interesting ways. WTF?

Anyone else have a 2005 lately?
 
I have a handful of '02s. I've drank two... one was beautiful, but the other was a complete mess.

The irony of the plastic cork...
 
The later-released '02 L'Ancien (or maybe I should say later purchased) had a tremendous reduction problem. I assumed it was something to do with the fake corks - was that the first year with fake corks? Never improved (if you count through today as "never").

I buy the L'Ancien to drink early. I see no point in aging them. The '07 is drinking very well now.
 
originally posted by Bwood:
The later-released '02 L'Ancien (or maybe I should say later purchased) had a tremendous reduction problem. I assumed it was something to do with the fake corks - was that the first year with fake corks? Never improved (if you count through today as "never").
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Reduction is not the problem you anticipate with fake corks, fwiw. Don't recall the wine.
 
I had a 2002 with fake cork a few months ago and it passed as "wine" but it has the flat thing that fake corks lead to. (Incidentally, 2005 Texier CdR, fake cork, is holding up very well; many data points.)

Wait. Is your 2005 l'Ancien closed with fake cork? Mine was all closed with natural cork, and I did drink one within the past two months; I think it's just becoming it's own wine. I wish I had a dozen cases.
 
originally posted by Putnam Weekley:
(Incidentally, 2005 Texier CdR, fake cork, is holding up very well; many data points.)
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The CdRs I had were all under cork, so not strange that mine have been aging well.

Just had the '06 (also under cork) for the first time today. Lovely wine, too. Texier can't seem to get anything wrong.
 
originally posted by Putnam Weekley:
I had a 2002 with fake cork a few months ago and it passed as "wine" but it has the flat thing that fake corks lead to. (Incidentally, 2005 Texier CdR, fake cork, is holding up very well; many data points.)

Wait. Is your 2005 l'Ancien closed with fake cork? Mine was all closed with natural cork, and I did drink one within the past two months; I think it's just becoming it's own wine. I wish I had a dozen cases.
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My 2005 has fake cork.
 
originally posted by Bwood:
The later-released '02 L'Ancien (or maybe I should say later purchased) had a tremendous reduction problem. I assumed it was something to do with the fake corks - was that the first year with fake corks? Never improved (if you count through today as "never").
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As you know, we have had identical experiences.

I buy the L'Ancien to drink early. I see no point in aging them. The '07 is drinking very well now.
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I'd prefer not to. I think it ages in interesting ways, and in the case of the 2005, needs a bit of time.

It's all too bad. If you use real cork, you're fucked by that. If you use fake cork, you can be fucked by that as well.

I guess. Maybe the bottle was fucked. I'll try another soon to be certain.
 
originally posted by Otto Nieminen:
originally posted by Putnam Weekley:
(Incidentally, 2005 Texier CdR, fake cork, is holding up very well; many data points.)
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The CdRs I had were all under cork, so not strange that mine have been aging well.

Just had the '06 (also under cork) for the first time today. Lovely wine, too. Texier can't seem to get anything wrong.
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As much as I hate to inflate his already Rostaing-sized ego, Eric is killing it right now.

Had the 2006 Chusclan and 2005 St. Gervais last night and both were great and totally different. The wine buyer couldn't decide between them and decided to pour both by the glass (at slightly less than btl/cost per glass ;-) ).
 
originally posted by VLM:

I'd prefer not to. I think it ages in interesting ways, and in the case of the 2005, needs a bit of time.
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Yeah, I still have '05s, they definitely needed time. We'll see how that goes.
 
originally posted by Bwood:
originally posted by VLM:

I'd prefer not to. I think it ages in interesting ways, and in the case of the 2005, needs a bit of time.
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Yeah, I still have '05s, they definitely needed time. We'll see how that goes.
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Have one tonight. I'd love to hear that mine was just a bottle issue.
 
I liked the way the 2001 evolved in the bottle, in fact i still have some and find them delicious every time I open them. I had some of an older vintage but I can't remember which one. I have one or two left, but can't verify vintage as I'm quite a distance from my wine today.

Shame to hear "newer" vintages aren't doing as well.
 
Opened a 2005 Ancien tonight (under cork) and there a very strong cherry cough drop aroma but nothing that could be considered marzipan as I know it.
 
I opened a 2008 L'Ancien tonight and it was like Dom DeLuise sneezed Royal Icing into my mouth.
 
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