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Florida Jim

Florida Jim
Whites:
2007 Jermann, Vinnae:
Mostly ribolla gialla with small amounts of tocai and riesling; 12.5% alcohol, screw cap and about $25.
Day one: lemon, mineral and herb aromatics; fairly full in the mouth with flavors that echo the nose, a distinct tang and a tactile sensation that comes up just short of tannin; a quite long and lightly bitter finish. Reminds me a little of greco but without the resinous qualities. Probably a bit closed at the moment but indicative of character, concentration and purity. Exceptional with food.
Day two: pretty much the same perhaps a little more open but I think this could use a year or two (or more).

2005 Grosset, Riesling Polish Hill:
13% alcohol, under screw cap and about $20, on sale.
This is one of the most powerful dry rieslings Ive tasted. It has the concentration of a Zind-Humbrecht without the weight. Angular coming out of the bottle and showing very young but it turns fuller and more fruit driven with a creamy texture as it airs it has plenty of structure, stuffing and acidity. Probably will age longer than Ill live and be approachable all along the way.

Reds:

2002 Clos de la Roilette, Fleurie Cuve Tardive:
Day one: fairly tannic and closed but showing its depth and concentration; not especially Fleurie-like more Pommard or something similar. Came alive and truer to its place with lentil stew.
Day two: although somewhat more resolved, a bit duller also. This wine needs time in the bottle; decanting wont do it.
13% alcohol and about $21 on release.

1994 Penfolds, Grange:
This has been the only bottle of Australian wine in my cellar for over ten years. It is what youd expect; theres evidence of American oak on the nose but it seems to have morphed into a cola-like smell; it has chocolate in the flavor profile but not the sweet kind, and it has an extraordinarily silky texture. Rich, plush stuff that is more cocktail style than food style. Even so, not a bad wine and anything that was done to it seems to have softened over 15 years. Others liked it better but I will say that this is not outsized or unbalanced and does have some finesse (probably due to its age). Not my sort but for those who like this style, I suspect youd be very pleased.

2006 Edmunds St. John, That Old black Magic:
A co-ferment of syrah and grenache, screw-cap, 14.3% alcohol and about $20. Clean, expansive and attractive nose of dark fruit, salted meat, lavender and mineral; beautifully precise and alluring in the mouth with finesse and complexity, flavors that follow the nose adding an iron tone and a personality that is hard to describe but that keeps me coming back; excellent length. This is balanced, shows better than most CdP Ive tasted recently, gives no indication of its alcohol content, has a distinct individual quality and has all the ear-marks of wine that will age well. So easy to drink and perfect accompaniment to pasta with broccoli, roasted peppers, feta and olives.

(Aside: I think that Steve Edmunds has (after 25 years in the business) discovered the truth of wine; it needs to have an individual character so you can identify it from all the other wines it competes with, it needs to pair well with your dinner, it needs to age well in your cellar, it needs to be a true joy to drink and it needs to be affordable. IMO, no other winemaker currently working in CA delivers these essentials, does so across his entire line of wines and with such consistency. If you have not tried Steves wines, I urge you to do so. Cure what ails ya.)

Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
The truth1994 Penfolds, Grange:
This has been the only bottle of Australian wine in my cellar for over ten years.

Jim, When you still had that only bottle then you had one more bottle of Australian wine than I have ever had (other than gifts).

I am not a buyer of Australian wines. (Pretty much the same is true of Italian wines, for that matter.)

. . . . . Pete
 
I loves me some Jermann. It all really started when our friend David The Historian was doing his doctoral research...in Venice, as it turns out. We barely knew David then, but he had a two-bedroom apartment in Venice and was lonely for company that spoke English. What were we to do but answer to the call of duty? We even brought our copy of Doge for the trip [it doesn't get any geekier than that, for those keeping score at home].

So we booked our tickets...into Venezia and out of Milano. We spent a great week in Venice, going to the fish market "of the Turks" every morning, getting a real education about Venice every afternoon, and cooking most evenings. We soon realized that the winning solution was to open 2 bottles of Jermann every night and drink half of them...then drink the other two half-bottles left out on the windowsill overnight. I wish it could get it here for what I paid in Venice. I don't have a lot of experience with aged Jermann, but a good days' worth of air does great things for the stuff. Our general consensus was the Tunina > Ribolla (Vinnae) > Sauv Blanc > Pinot > Chard.

And over a game of Doge that David sadly won, we figured out that he had been in our house in Minneapolis visiting a friend of ours that was housesitting for us while we were in Ampuis. Fun times!
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

I am not a buyer of Australian wines. (Pretty much the same is true of Italian wines, for that matter.)

I can understand a sweeping statement of Australian wines, although there are a handful of excellent reds and a number of excellent whites. Best's, Tahbilk, Seppelt, Mount Mary - to name just a few great producers.

The Italian thing is very odd to me, though. It seems like the one country that could please every wine drinker.

Best,
Joe
 
originally posted by Lee Short:
I loves me some Jermann. It all really started when our friend David The Historian was doing his doctoral research...in Venice, as it turns out. We barely knew David then, but he had a two-bedroom apartment in Venice and was lonely for company that spoke English. What were we to do but answer to the call of duty? We even brought our copy of Doge for the trip [it doesn't get any geekier than that, for those keeping score at home].

So we booked our tickets...into Venezia and out of Milano. We spent a great week in Venice, going to the fish market "of the Turks" every morning, getting a real education about Venice every afternoon, and cooking most evenings. We soon realized that the winning solution was to open 2 bottles of Jermann every night and drink half of them...then drink the other two half-bottles left out on the windowsill overnight. I wish it could get it here for what I paid in Venice. I don't have a lot of experience with aged Jermann, but a good days' worth of air does great things for the stuff. Our general consensus was the Tunina > Ribolla (Vinnae) > Sauv Blanc > Pinot > Chard.

And over a game of Doge that David sadly won, we figured out that he had been in our house in Minneapolis visiting a friend of ours that was housesitting for us while we were in Ampuis. Fun times!

Great story!

I do my homework on Jermann before buying. Some of the wines are oaky little beasties.
 
I tried the 2000 Jermann "Vintage Tunina" from magnum late last year, and let me tell you, it could have been much worse. I was actually expecting much worse. It had held up just fine.
 
originally posted by Joe_Perry:
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

I am not a buyer of Australian wines. (Pretty much the same is true of Italian wines, for that matter.)

I can understand a sweeping statement of Australian wines, although there are a handful of excellent reds and a number of excellent whites. Best's, Tahbilk, Seppelt, Mount Mary - to name just a few great producers.

The Italian thing is very odd to me, though. It seems like the one country that could please every wine drinker.

Best,
Joe

In addition, I have about as Europhilic a palate as anyone I know, but I've been very impressed by the Pinot Noirs and Chardonnays of producers like Kooyong and Yabby Lake in the Mornington Peninsula. Granted these wines are Australian in origin rather than prevailing variety or style, but for me they were the exception that disproved the rule.
 
Dang, Jim, Polish Hill under $20!?

... I am not a buyer of Australian wines. (Pretty much the same is true of Italian wines, for that matter.) ...

Australian dry Rieslings are worth some trial and error buying, in any event. Look for older vintages, even in humbler bottlings than the PH, as they age will. Also Semillon. I haven't dabbled much in the reds, which often are too high in alcohol for my personal preference.

Italy, for me, is the new Burgundy. High prices together with complicated flavor profile and quality matrixes intimidate me. I take comfort in knowing that Italy is there to work on out once Burgundy gets boring [imagine smile emoticon here].
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:
(Pretty much the same is true of Italian wines, for that matter.)

Pete,
Here we diverge.
I agree with Joe; I think one can find terrific wines at any price point from Italy, red or white. Italian whites are so diverse and individual that I have become quite enamored of them.
And while I know that Australia has some very fine wines, there is too much "wading through the muck" to do to figure out what they are. At least, for me.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
originally posted by Peter Creasey:
(Pretty much the same is true of Italian wines, for that matter.)

Pete,
Here we diverge.
I agree with Joe; I think one can find terrific wines at any price point from Italy, red or white. Italian whites are so diverse and individual that I have become quite enamored of them.
And while I know that Australia has some very fine wines, there is too much "wading through the muck" to do to figure out what they are. At least, for me.
Best, Jim

Jim, I agree with you so I don't think we "diverge".

It sounds like we are very much in sync as to Australian wines.

As for Italian wines, I probably should have been less terse. I agree with all the comments in this thread about the merits of Italian wines.

My situation is that I have a somewhat limited cellar space and mental capacity; thus, I decided early on (rightly or wrongly) that there wasn't room in my profile for Italian wines. My loss!

. . . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:
. . . I decided early on (rightly or wrongly) that there wasn't room in my profile for Italian wines.

For many years, that was my decision also. Going there helped.
Best, Jim
 
I was going to remark also, Polish Hill for $20! Yikes. What is it with Australian pricing in the US? All the pointy wines are more expensive than here (no great loss), but the better wines seem to be cheaper in North America than in their homeland. Grrrrr.

1994 is a sleeper vintage for Penfolds in general. An under-rated vintage for Grange - and they tend to be 30-year wines. As they age that finesse becomes ever more evidence. Perhaps someone should feed you a well-kept 1962 Grange?
cheers,
Graeme
 
Graeme

In 1991 or so Nicole brought from Oz to Chicago WB Black Label, Leeuwin AS Chard and Noble One-we walked into Sam's and all were on the shelf cheaper than she paid in Oz. I think it is the taxes-some are refundable if the wine is exported. I was at Lindeman's in the Hunter a few yrs ago and they told me they could ship the wine to IL and sell it to me for a lower price than I had to pay at the counter that day. Maybe you should organize a Wine Tea Party for Sydney.

mark meyer
 
I'm a big fan of Jermann; unfortunately they are getting harder to source since Illinois closed its borders. The '02 Tunina is drinking well now and has quite a few good years ahead of it.
 
originally posted by Dan Donahue:
I'm a big fan of Jermann; unfortunately they are getting harder to source since Illinois closed its borders. The '02 Tunina is drinking well now and has quite a few good years ahead of it.
I just saw the '07 Pinot Grigio at Binny's last night, but at $30 I passed. After all this talk of Jermann I do want to try one. Is it worth $30 for their Pinot Grigio? Or should I keep my eye out for the other ones mentioned above?
 
Lars, I haven't tried the PG yet as I stick mainly to the Tuninas and Vinnaes, but If I had a chance I'd try one. Most Italian Pinot Grigio was a decent enough wine before Santa Margherita and others became so popular. Somehow I doubt Silvio got caught up in the over-cropping madness.
 
I've tasted most of the Jermann wines, but have only really sat down and drank two or three bottles. The top whites are not inexpensive, and thus the only one I've been willing open my own wallet for is the Vinnae. It can be a nice wine, and at $25 I'd buy it again in a good vintage.

I agree that Vintage Tunina is the winner among the high end whites, but I've occasionally enjoyed Capo Martino despite its more opulent, full-figured style.

The 2006 Dreams (aka, 'Were Dreams, now they are just wine') was perhaps the most egregiously over-oaked wine I tasted at Tre Bicchieri this year. Kind of shocking, even for Jermann.
 
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