I know this is against the rules

originally posted by Joe_Perry:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
You did say "a few"...
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Didn't we have a Hoke or Hookah or Hokki Gai (other than Troiano) at some point?
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Hoke is still here. His name is in the "messages" list. That's the easy way to tell if someone is still here.
 
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
...I don't see why anyone in the non-Parker camp, particular someone who knows the wine world well, would want to participate on that forum other than to generate publicity for themselves at Parker's expense...
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this must be seconded
 
I find myself in full agreement with Mr. Dressner. Slagging of Parker, Squires and/or Miller on any forum does nothing to raise the level of any debate & merely looks rather small. It has a New York Yankees as the 'evil empire' kind of feel to it (an episode that made me very sad to be a Red Sox fan).
 
originally posted by Putnam Weekley:
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
...I don't see why anyone in the non-Parker camp, particular someone who knows the wine world well, would want to participate on that forum other than to generate publicity for themselves at Parker's expense...
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this must be seconded
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A fair contingent from this community posts there - two very well-respected that spring immediately to mind.

Each of these fora has its strengths and weaknesses. It's easy enough to stay away from the ones that don't meet your standards. One virtue of the Parker/Squires forum administration, for example, is that the principals write over their real names, which is not the case here.
 
You know its a weird thread when Mr. Dressner is the sane voice in the crowd, but his post was well said. I am amazed how worked up some in the online world have gotten over this.

Also, I know e-mails are not private, but at the same time, we all have an expectation that they will, or at least should be. I hate to see private exchanges being made public.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by rdtrimpi:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Why don't you check it out and report back?
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And if I told you I had?
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I'd say you're a better man than I am, Gunga Din.
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On further reflection, you know, I might add that his behavior and posture in his public and official capacity is rather more important to me personally than his ability to behave himself during the course of a dinner. Perhaps this is because he has a position of minor significance in the wine world. Perhaps also because I have a scientific history and the constant editing of evidence bothers me particularly. But let no one accuse me of a summa, unless it's the bartenders at the Plough and Stars.
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Glad you worked that out. Some wine Sahib?

RT
 
I participate on the Parker board because my need for discussion of CdP is not met here and because I enjoy train wreck threads (am I the only literature type on these boards who enjoys serial narrative?). Otherwise, I agree with Joe Dressner. The board is what it is and the conflict of interest sniping is silly.

I do, however, reserve the right to notice when people make silly, pointlessly pugnacious or self-damningly pompous remarks. Squires, for all I know, may be a charming and intelligent human being. But the quoted remark speaks for itself. Parker's rhetoric also, in the past couple of years, has become increasingly inflamed and self-important. I'd rather be saying that there than here, where I'm speaking to the choir, but Joe gave me someone to disagree with while saying it here.
 
Joe Dressner is one of Parker's human shields too? I would have never guessed.

I truly have no interest in that forum or most of the wines they discuss over there, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't notice what a jackass Squires seems to be in that interchange. Is it really any different from someone posting a link to the wonderful work that Bruce G is doing in Japan? (note, I am not comparing the actions themselves, which are incomparable - I'm comparing the posting of the link and the discussions and thoughts that resulted)

For all the apologists, I'd give you parallel advice to that which I see in some of your posts. If you don't want to read discussion on this issue, don't click on this thread. But to prolong the discussion while saying that something shouldn't be discussed seems a little silly.
 
originally posted by Loren Sonkin:
You know its a weird thread when Mr. Dressner is the sane voice in the crowd, but his post was well said. I am amazed how worked up some in the online world have gotten over this.

Also, I know e-mails are not private, but at the same time, we all have an expectation that they will, or at least should be. I hate to see private exchanges being made public.
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I think there are a few things going on here.

The first is that many people were amazed to see two unknown people brought in to the WA staff with questionable credentials, thus, there has always been suspicion.

Second, there have been rumors swirling around the wine industry of questionable professional conduct by Jay Miller for some time. Combine this with the constant harangue about how the WA is the consumer watchdog in the wine world and folks are rightly peeved. They have no one besides themselves to blame for the target on their backs.

Third, the increasing douche-baggines displayed by the folks who are in charge and moderate the Squires bored along with an increasing sense that they are not exactly upper percentile in intelligence.

Combine all that with the interwebs, a respected wine writer being pummeled in a strange way and this is what you get. When you are a public figure, you have to manage that and be aware of how your actions are perceived, not just whether you can lawyer them. While there has been an increasing protection of brand Parker, there have been fundamental miscalculations in how that brand is managed and preserved.

Personally, I think we are watching the long slow death spiral of the Parker brand. It's sad really, because he made some very good professional choices in hiring David and Antonio and could have taken the WA in a different direction and a broader respectability. Instead, he also helped some friends and that has bitten them in the ass. Hard. This has happened to me and it is a rotten feeling.
 
originally posted by Thor:
A show at the Orson Wells followed by pints at the Plough was always a good night.
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If you remember them, apparently not all that good...
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I did forget where I parked one night coming out of the Plough. Wandered around Central Sq for quite a while before realizing I took the T in from Oak Grove.
 
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
I find myself in full agreement with Mr. Dressner. Slagging of Parker, Squires and/or Miller on any forum does nothing to raise the level of any debate & merely looks rather small. It has a New York Yankees as the 'evil empire' kind of feel to it (an episode that made me very sad to be a Red Sox fan).
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David:

I knew my prayers for you would be answered!

Joe Dressner
 
I disagree with everyone. I think it is funny to post, but the follow-up conversations are unnecessary.
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
I have no idea what any of you are talking about. Why are people mad at Jay Miller now?
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Because he's such a nice guy, perhaps? Or maybe because of his stated lack of love for Turley Zins and Grenache?

Mark Lipton
 
Apropos nothing, has Miller taken over from Schildknecht as Burgundy reviewer?

originally posted by mlawton:

For all the apologists ...
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I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, oh god I'm sorry.

originally posted by VLM:
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Personally, I think we are watching the long slow death spiral of the Parker brand.

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I've wondered about this and speculate that his penchant for public peevishness tends to degrade the brand. Any controversy - so conventional wisdom - works in the critic's favor, but I have to think Parker would serve his own interests well by rising above the fray from time to time.

But back to wine, I've been enjoying a positively devastating 2001 Pesquera Tinto over the last two nights. Wow. A point.
 
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