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Thor Iverson
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Clos du Paradis Domaine Viret 1999 Ctes-du-Rhne-Villages Saint-Maurice Marotis (Rhne) Its never easy to decide when to open a bottle of ageable wine. Its even less easy when the wine has little track record and even fewer peers. Even for the winemaker, questions of ageability are rarely more than an educated guess.
So its with a bit of trepidation that I open this bottle, hand-carried from the winery back in 2001. It was an intriguing visit for a number of reasons. First was the domaines singularity, as it was at the time (and may still be) the only grower-producer in the appellation, the rest of the production of which is provided by cooperatives. I tasted a few of those, and they were fine in an anonymous but flavorful generic Rhne-ish fashion, but Virets wines were an entirely different matter: highly ambitious, if not always at that very early date completely focused.
But the second reason was even more compelling: the winerys wholesale investment with a philosophy known as cosmoculture, a practice tailor-made for those who think biodynamism is a little too conventional. I spent a lot of time tasting wine, but even more listening to lectures on circles of force and dowsing, examining the alignment of Stonehenge-like monuments in the vineyard, and marveling at the cathedral a fairly literal one constructed to serve as the winemaking facility. And while the Virets were both very nice and extremely sincere, I spent much of my time vacillating between wondering if they were completely nuts, and marveling at the qualitative triple-jump their wines achieved vis--vis the cooperatives versions. Ultimately, I decided that it didnt really matter if they were nuts or not. The wines spoke for themselves.
Anyway, enough background. What about the wine? Its a grenache-syrah blend (more of the former than the latter) from grapes that have undergone a little passrilage on the vine, made and matured in a mix of cask and stainless steel. At the time, these vines were barely over a decade old, and my original note expressed concern that too much might have been asked of these very young vines.
That fear hasnt been realized, and the wine is aging better than I would have guessed. Its powerful right from the start, and heavy, but not so weighted-down that its imbalanced or ponderous. Aromas are classic if one imagines a blend of Southern and Northern Rhne characteristics (given that theres no modern basis for Saint-Maurice typicity on which to judge this wine): meat, leather, Provenal herbs, dark soil, underbrush, sun-leathered dark fruit that has lost its fruit, and so forth. As the wine airs, more and more smoked meat emerges.
Texturally, it presses against the palate without being overly oppressive, in waves of leather than alternate between an animalistic fuzz and a harder, more mineralized expression. Theres still quite a bit of tannin (though its supple and fully ripened), and just enough acidity to hold everything together, but not a hint of intrusive alcohol anywhere. Structurally, every indication is that this wine is just past the midpoint of its evolution, with nothing but excellent prospects for the future.
I wonder, though. The fruit, if one can call it that in wines of this type, seems a lot more resolved than the structure. Ive no fears that this will decline anytime sooneven if it is mature, the plateau is going to be exceedingly longbut I think a strong argument could be made that its not going to get better in the future, though there will certainly be changes. (In fact, I appear to be making such an argument.) Given its current makeup, Id expect more soy and old meat as the structure recedes, but also more angularity from that structure, which would disjoint the wine somewhat. But please note that Ive been wrong about this wines future before, and might be again in this instance. It makes a very compelling argument for itself, in any case, and whether or not it requires more time to develop that argument may be no more than minor quibbling at this point.
The wine changes little over the course of the evening, aside from an escalating appeal for vinous carnivores, and traces left at room temperature and unprotected from oxygen for a full day are still quite drinkable, albeit much less interesting than the previous days liquid. I serve it with pork from the grill, dry-rubbed with alder-smoked salt and smoked paprika (among other, less important spices), and somewhat further smoked by the addition of rehydrated chipotles to the coals during the grilling. The match is just about perfect, though I think any low-acid style of barbecued cow or pig would find favor with the wineand conventionally grilled meats would hardly be amiss, either. (4/09)
 
that's a nice read, Thor. luckily their website is not multilingual, otherwise i would have lost half the morning. i enjoyed your recount of your visit though....cosmoculture is ok by me, but it's interesting to me that his wines seem to be the opposite of the picture of the quiet vin natural type winemaker i've formed in my mind (which may or may not be accurate). he seems to be swinging for the fence......i wonder, is that part of being cosmic too, or is that moreso part of the rhone wine culture with it's inherent ripeness/bigness to begin with.....or....is it par for the course marketing...(certainly, his packaging and bottle weight remind one of "big wine" philosophy found elsewhere). in any case, he seems to be marching to his own drummer and that's laudable....especially when the wines have some merit.

2 more questions:

i noticed on his website blog a comment about S02, and myth vs reality, but could not read more than that....any idea what his take is?

lastly, did you bring any whites back?
 
luckily their website is not multilingual
Well...

to me that his wines seem to be the opposite of the picture of the quiet vin natural type winemaker i've formed in my mind
Hmmm.

It's no more invasive a philosophy than biodynamics, I'd say. Much of what's different involves stuff like the position of barrels in the cellar, the position of stones in the vineyard, proximity to a source of water, etc. So I'm not quite sure what would lead you to this conclusion.

he seems to be swinging for the fence
Qualitatively, perhaps. I don't think they're doing anything particularly out of the ordinary in terms of the actual chemistry of grape-growing or winemaking, though. (They'd disagree, but I'm not in accord with them in terms of what they do having an effect.)

i wonder, is that part of being cosmic too, or is that moreso part of the rhone wine culture with it's inherent ripeness/bigness to begin with
Well, obviously one can't make Mosel kabinett in the Southern Rhne. (Although I shouldn't say that, because maybe Eric's done it and just hasn't told anyone.) The wines are nowhere near as large or powerful as the CdP "special cuves," for example. I don't think cosmoculture has anything to do with it. The wines seems generally reflective of the terroir and what you'd guess would be the typicity, though again there are no references for the latter other than the cooperative (unless things have changed in the interim). Though I suppose the INAO had some idea of that typicity when they granted the appellation, I suspect that it was not one of their more rigorous ones.

Ultimately, I think it's one of those questions of typicity vs. quality that you're asking, and I don't have a good answer for you. If I was emperor of the appellation, this is what I'd want the wines to taste like. Is Viret's an unusual, deformed quality? Without peers aside from the cooperatives, who's to say? It doesn't taste that way to me, though.

(certainly, his packaging and bottle weight remind one of "big wine" philosophy found elsewhere)
I suppose. They're not "big wines" in the sense that you mean. There's definitely marketing going on, though; the labels are actually quite elaborate in staking out a niche and pushing the philosophy. I'd say that it's marketing at about the same level as Radikon, who does similarly "unusual" things and packages/markets to reflect those things, but isn't exactly taking out full-page ads in the trades. Though maybe Viret is, I don't know.

i noticed on his website blog a comment about S02, and myth vs reality, but could not read more than that....any idea what his take is?
Someone whose French is better than mine might want to weigh in, but my sense is that he's experimented with sans soufre, and the ongoing philosophy is that either path is fine.

lastly, did you bring any whites back?
Yes. I brought the one bottle I purchased (Clos du Paradis "Domaine Viret" 2000 Ctes-du-Rhne "La Coude d'Or") to Steve Edmunds' house, where I believe we tasted it with Vanessa Wong & Nick Peay. It was terrific, but I can't seem to find a note.
 
what made me think about the image difference between many biodynamic producers and viret's approach mainly were your descriptions of the final products in your tn's (descriptive words and phrases which i gathered into an overall picture, such as: "pummel everything else into submission", "big but not unbalanced", "brutally large-scaled lineup", "Almost overwhelmingly large scaled", etc.). those terms, coupled with the packaging, i suppose, made me think this guy is far from the winemaking approach of a Thierry Puzelat, for example. it's oranges and apples to a point, but the loire producers mostly talked about here seem to be producing quieter wines (along with not building cathedrals). it's not meant as a rank, mind you...your descriptions of the wines make (some of) them sound like wines i would like to try...and it doesn't quite sound like he is aiming for the US fruitbomb market either. i was just noting a stylistic distinction, ultimately, in the product...though the cosmic cathedrals and dolmens put a different twist on the natural vin-maker as well.

oops...thanks for pointing out the english version.....i was in a bit of a rush earlier.
 
I understand, though note that those tasting notes you're referencing are for newly-bottled wines and barrel samples. The wines develop more harmony with time, which I don't find unusual for well-made Southern Rhnes. I don't think dedicated grenache-haters will like the wines, but then again I don't think most of them taste all that much like grenache, so who knows?

You're right to back away from the Loire comparison; syrah and grenache are not gamay and pineau d'aunis, especially given the mesoclimates involved.

I don't think he's aiming for any "market" as such, though as I said he's (more accurately, "they're"...it's a family operation) not afraid to market the philosophy and the wines. I wish we still saw them here.
 
I tend to take ingredient lists on European producers' web sites more as suggestions than detailed analysis, but yes.
 
Update...I'm informed that there are now four independent producers making Saint-Maurice (the three additions: Chaume-Arnaud and Domaine de Deurre in Vinsobres, and Domaine de l'Echevin in Visan). Progress!
 
I bought this wine from Chambers st. when Joe Dressner was bringing it in. I have a bottle left. For awhile, one could find the lower gamme cuvee Cosmic around, but I haven't seen any Viret in years. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough. It was a great find at the time and I'd like to check in with recent vintages.
 
the usual pedantry
OK, and I'm certainly a fan of pedantry in all its forms, but why?

I have a bottle left.
Mmmmm.

I haven't seen any Viret in years. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough. It was a great find at the time and I'd like to check in with recent vintages.
Maybe you should make the acquaintance of someone who makes regular trips to the Rhne and could visit the producer.
 
originally posted by Thor:
the usual pedantry
OK, and I'm certainly a fan of pedantry in all its forms, but why?

I have a bottle left.
Mmmmm.

I haven't seen any Viret in years. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough. It was a great find at the time and I'd like to check in with recent vintages.
Maybe you should make the acquaintance of someone who makes regular trips to the Rhne and could visit the producer.

I know that guy. And he has intentions of making such a visit. But he keeps getting distracted by other places (some new discoveries, others old friends). So many wines, so little time.
 
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