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Thor

Thor Iverson
An unfortunately stunted (I refer to numbers, not emotionsdespite the evidence) group gathered to welcome Rahsaan Maxwell to his upcoming foray into actual productivity in service of the Bay States countercultural youth, about 50% of which will be spent in a car on the Massachusetts Turnpike. Lucky him.

Jessey Domaine du Closel 1997 Savennires Le Clos Lavau (Loire) At first opening, the increasingly familiar stewed garbage and cabbage aromas dominate. As time goes on, these drift away, though only to an extent; even a day later, they still linger in the background. What emerges, later, is a sweat-stained minerality, like armpits in a mine, sludging its way through a wine with the texture of a dry mead. Theres some salt, too. It most definitely improves with air, and a day later its much more identifiably Savennires. That said, after much exploration, and not meaning this as a recommendation for anyone else, I dont think Im going to age Closel anymore. It just doesnt turn into anything I like. (4/09)

Cornelissen MunJebel 3 2006 Sicilia Bianco (Sicily) A blend of carricante, grecanico dorato, and coda di volpe, served blind. Theres absolutely no way to guess what it is, of course, other than that its yet another member of the orange wine set, and this time much closer to actual (cloudy) orange than most of its cohorts. As for the wine? Mixed citrus, perhaps leaning a bit towards blood orange, with a very citric acidic presence. Theres a miasma of lambic-like yeastiness, a thick dryness that would appear to be tannin (though I might be misattributing something), and then an interesting interplay of peach and pomegranate on the finish. Papaya too? Sure, why not? A fascinating wine. I like it a great deal. (4/09)

Cornelissen MunJebel 3 2005 Sicilia Rosso (Sicily) Nerello mascalese. Cloudy to the point of muddiness, and more the color of iron-rich dirt than falling anywhere in the usual range of red wine hues. Tannic and short. Very tactile, but this is far less interesting than the white of the same name. (4/09)

Pierre Frick 2002 Pinot Blanc Cuve Prcieuse (Alsace) Thick apricot with an incredibly dense texture that feels and tastes sugary, though I dont think theres much of any residual sugar here. Light oxidation only adds complexity. A really delicious wine, though one would be hard-pressed to identify it as pinot blanc. The next day, it has turned dark brown (it is sans soufre, after all), though this has no apparent affect on the organoleptics, which remain as the day before. (4/09)

Vollenweider 2001 Wolfer Goldgrube Riesling Kabinett 01 02 (Mosel-Saar-Ruwer) Pineapple and clean steel. Good. Thats about it. (4/09)

Othguy 2006 St-Joseph (Rhne) Tarred blackberry jacketed with iron. And dripping with blood, too, which I mean as a positive (not just for vampires). Hard stiff, even with fabulous intensity. Still, Id be much more interested in this wine after some aging; its a bit brutal now. (4/09)

Louis Sipp 1999 Riesling Kirchberg de Ribeauvill (Alsace) Good intensity. Wet iron and aluminum. Fully mature. Theres a slight soapiness thats emerging as the wine loses what acid it had, which (given the vintage) probably wasnt much. But its enjoyable now. (4/09)

Merkelbach 2001 rziger Wrzgarten Riesling Sptlese 012 02 (Mosel-Saar-Ruwer) Wine turned up past ten on the volume control, but here its not a bad thing. Green herbs and ultra-ripe apple, with metal in abundance. Still very, very young. (4/09)

Occhipinti 2006 Siccagno Nero dAvola (Sicily) Fecal. Crystalline black raspberry soda, with an earthy texture later on. Its a pretty wine, despite the funk, and I like it a great deal, though I wouldnt serve it to the brett-averse. (4/09)

Kanonkop 1993 Pinotage (Stellenbosch) Corked. Oddly, this is something no one (including me) realizes the night the wines first opened, though its apparent on day two, and completely obvious by day three. A shame. (4/09)

Ogier 1997 Syrah Vin de Pays des Collines Rhodaniennes La Rosine (Rhne) Ash, mud, soy, and baked fruit. Its not bad, but its past its prime, as the tannin and acid now stick out of the wine like rabbit-ear antennae, and the usual Rhne meatfruit is getting more than a little drawn. (4/09)

Nigl 1998 Senftenberger Piri Riesling (Kremstal) Dry, dry, dry. Sand and powder. Yet, despite all this desiccation, its rounder and fuller than its stablemate Hochcher from the same vintage. But this forwardness comes at a price; the next day finds the wine turned to acrid brownness, and virtually undrinkable. Drink it quickly. (4/09)

Nigl 1998 Senftenberger Hochcher Riesling (Kremstal) Elusive, like trying to taste wind. I should note that while I never warm up to this wine, its supplier mounts an enthusiastic defense of its qualities, and I might be in the minority as to its merits. The next day, its a little less emotionally distant, but despite a more active texture it still fails to appeal. (4/09)

Trimbach 2002 Gewurztraminer Vendanges Tardives (Alsace) The first night, this is tightly-wound bacon-wrapped cashew and metal, with fine internal structure. The next night, its explosive, not yielding a bit of that vibrant structure, but much more generous with both the fruit (moving into orange and lychee) and the black-hearted minerality (coal and iron). Fabulous, though it will unquestionably need significant age to show its true qualities. (4/09)
 
I think it was brought primarily as a riesling that another attendee didn't actually own. Except that said attendee didn't attend. But we opened it anyway.
 
"Armpits in a mine" Didn't you steal that from Yaniger?
My experience with 98 Austrians has not been stellar. Riper, lower acid, blowsy, no delineation of flavors, IMHO--Maybe SF Joe will chime in?
 
Too much heat and botrytis. Some of the wines give pleasure, but they are overshadowed by '97 and '99. I bought too many, and they are mostly on the downslope, so I've asked my sister to throw herself on the grenade and help guzzle them before they're too far gone.
 
originally posted by Thor:

Nigl 1998 Senftenberger Piri Riesling (Kremstal) Elusive, like trying to taste wind. I should note that while I never warm up to this wine, its supplier mounts an enthusiastic defense of its qualities, and I might be in the minority as to its merits. The next day, its a little less emotionally distant, but despite a more active texture it still fails to appeal. (4/09)

Nigl 1998 Senftenberger Hochcher Riesling (Kremstal) Dry, dry, dry. Sand and powder. Yet, despite all this desiccation, its rounder and fuller than its stablemate Piri from the same vintage. But this forwardness comes at a price; the next day finds the wine turned to acrid brownness, and virtually undrinkable. Drink it quickly. (4/09)

I think you switched the notes on these. I was defending the Hochcher and you told me it was the Piri that fell apart, no?

And the Hochcher was hardly like tasting wind. Plenty of flavor. Plenty of poise. Elegance. You know, that kind of stuff.

That said, I don't have the experience with 98s that others do, but have a few more at home to drink. Will see.
 
originally posted by Thor: Cornelissen MunJebel 3 2006 Sicilia Bianco (Sicily) A fascinating wine. I like it a great deal.

I agree. This was very very fun.

Othguy 2006 St-Joseph (Rhne) Tarred blackberry jacketed with iron. And dripping with blood, too, which I mean as a positive (not just for vampires). Hard stiff, even with fabulous intensity. Still, Id be much more interested in this wine after some aging; its a bit brutal now. (4/09)

If by 'a bit brutal' you mean 'not very brutal' then sure, I agree. To my tastes, this was a full flavored firm St. Joseph. And I don't even feed off tannic structure as necessary for melding with meat. Of course I don't drink a ton of aged wine either. Still, this was lovely to me.

Merkelbach 2001 rziger Wrzgarten Riesling Sptlese 012 02 (Mosel-Saar-Ruwer) Still very, very young.

So you think this will be a lot better in the future? I didn't get that sense. But what do I know.
 
originally posted by Thor: to welcome Rahsaan Maxwell to his upcoming foray into actual productivity in service of the Bay States countercultural youth...

As long as I'm not held responsible for their future..
 
Sorry to have missed you, Rahsaan.

It is nice to see that Thor serves stewed garbage and cabbage to everyone. I thought it was just me.

Good data points on the Nigls: I have the 1999 versions of both although the Piri is the Piri-Privat version.
 
I don't think the best ones are drinking that well; the numbers alone (check out the total acidity for some of them - I think Vollenweider was at around 9g/L) should suggest that. I wouldn't touch my Fritz Haag, Joh. Jos. Prm or Egon Mller either. Planning to revisit them around 2016 or so.

As an example, look at the 1990 vintage, which was also fairly high acid. Some of the wines have fallen apart, but I had a pleasurable Weins-Prm the other evening.
 
originally posted by Dan McQ:
Good data points on the Nigls: I have the 1999 versions of both although the Piri is the Piri-Privat version.

I would imagine the 99s have a different longevity ahead of them.

I just got the 98 Piri Privat the other day. If I had it last month, I would have brought it to Boston.
 
My experience with 98 Austrians has not been stellar. Riper, lower acid, blowsy, no delineation of flavors, IMHO--Maybe SF Joe will chime in?
I don't own any to do a check, but yeah, that was my memory. Not that I drink as much as some of you.

I think you switched the notes on these. I was defending the Hochcher and you told me it was the Piri that fell apart, no?
Yes, I switched the notes. Weird. It was the Hochcher I didn't like, and the Piri that fell apart on day two. Thanks for the catch.

Plenty of flavor. Plenty of poise. Elegance. You know, that kind of stuff.
OK, Sharon.

If by 'a bit brutal' you mean 'not very brutal' then sure, I agree. To my tastes, this was a full flavored firm St. Joseph. And I don't even feed off tannic structure as necessary for melding with meat. Of course I don't drink a ton of aged wine either. Still, this was lovely to me.
No, I mean a bit brutal. I like a certain brutality in young wines of this ilk, as long as I think the balance is there. And I really did love the wine. I believe it was the first winner of the Thunderbird Prize, and I'm pretty sure I had more to do with that than anyone except Mike.

So you think this will be a lot better in the future?
I think it's young, which is why I didn't say more than that. A seer I'm not.

As long as I'm not held responsible for their future.
If there's one thing Amherst is known for, it's relentless accountability.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
Too much heat and botrytis. Some of the wines give pleasure, but they are overshadowed by '97 and '99. I bought too many, and they are mostly on the downslope, so I've asked my sister to throw herself on the grenade and help guzzle them before they're too far gone.
I still have the barrel in our store that we used to closeout the original "large" group of Austrians that you convinced me we should cary in our store. Now if I pull it out of retirement and you're able to recoup 10 cents on the dollar? Do you think the contents of this barrel would qualify for Tarp money? Does this qualify as a toxic asset I keep hearing about?
 
originally posted by Thor:
I think it was brought primarily as a riesling that another attendee didn't actually own. Except that said attendee didn't attend. But we opened it anyway.

No, that was the Merkelbach.

Corked. Oddly, this is something no one (including me) realizes the night the wines first opened, though its apparent on day two, and completely obvious by day three.

I guess that explains why the Kanonkop was so nondescript, the last thing I expected from it.

Nice notes, as always.
Charles
 
Thanks for the correction. I seem to have been a little confused by my notes. Too much hosting and socializing.

I guess that explains why the Kanonkop was so nondescript, the last thing I expected from it.
Agreed. It's an elegant wine in the hyperactive context of Stellenbosch pinotage, but it was really restrained. I extracted it from the fridge the next day, let it warm up on my desk for a while (along with a bunch of the other leftovers), and then gave it another shot. The first whiff was exactly as we experienced it, and then there was this very low-level buzz...perhaps more of a nag...that kept me puzzled and unsure. So I set it aside again, and on the third day, it rose again it was very obviously corked.

Oh well. Thanks for bringing it, anyway.
 
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