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Migoua and Tourtine
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Steve Edmunds
Steve Edmunds
Kermit describes the Migoua as more feminine, the Tourtine more masculine. Structured, yes. Funny the word "Burgundian" in the context of your 3rd sentence, seems surprising, though MSD as opposed to say Beaune, might help sort it out.
Putnam Weekley
putnam
i think i feel you brother
i've not become one with the '88s, but tourtine is usually more disciplined, to me, vis a vis migoua at least
i've not become one with the '88s, but tourtine is usually more disciplined, to me, vis a vis migoua at least
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Anyone know how the '85 Tourtine is doing?
Claude Kolm
Claude Kolm
By coincidence, had the 1988 Cabassaou last Wednesday -- an extraordinary bottle, but more elegant than I would have expected. Maybe that's why I originally was so high on the vintage there. Still very young with decades of life ahead of it.
I guess when I think of old Tempiers, I think of the 1971, which I had at the estate in 1991 and at the time was the oldest Tempier that I had had. It spent five years in cask as they did not know what to do with it because of the high alcohol, explained Richard Olney with whom I had the privilege of drinking the wine. (At the same visit, i tasted the 1988s, 1989s, and 1990s for the first time.) Certainly, the 1971 would not be extraordinary alcohol by today's standards, and it was treated very differently then.
I very much understand pab's concerns, but I do think Ravier is producing excellent wine, albeit in a somewhat different and riper style than in the past. I look forward to my expected visit in Bandol later this month. Those who have pre-2000 Tempier have somewhat the equivalent of Verset Cornas -- savor them. And thank Kermit for having the vision to import them - they weren't necessarily easy wines to sell, even at what now seem bargain prices.
1985 Tourtine should be excellent now. I finished my last bottle a few years ago.
I guess when I think of old Tempiers, I think of the 1971, which I had at the estate in 1991 and at the time was the oldest Tempier that I had had. It spent five years in cask as they did not know what to do with it because of the high alcohol, explained Richard Olney with whom I had the privilege of drinking the wine. (At the same visit, i tasted the 1988s, 1989s, and 1990s for the first time.) Certainly, the 1971 would not be extraordinary alcohol by today's standards, and it was treated very differently then.
I very much understand pab's concerns, but I do think Ravier is producing excellent wine, albeit in a somewhat different and riper style than in the past. I look forward to my expected visit in Bandol later this month. Those who have pre-2000 Tempier have somewhat the equivalent of Verset Cornas -- savor them. And thank Kermit for having the vision to import them - they weren't necessarily easy wines to sell, even at what now seem bargain prices.
1985 Tourtine should be excellent now. I finished my last bottle a few years ago.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Thank you, Claude.
I dashed off the note last night and really didn't do justice to these wines. I'm enjoying the last of the Tourtine right now, and I'd actually say it is in some ways better tonight.
The Migoua was fairly reticent on the nose but was such a beautiful mix of every Mourvedre and southern element you can think of. Our crowd had downed a good portion of it by the time I got to a glass, so I felt like I missed out a bit. It was very fine, one for the memory banks.
The Tourtine was fairly angular last night and really 88 or 89 better 1er MSD is a good analogy, but in the sense of how I think of north slope CNP's like the Janasse Chaupin. The nose was open and gorgeous, very complex. It was a tad grippy. This bottle may have been a slight bit off as the cork broke in half on the way out and made me think it had dried at some point. Right now it is lovely but a tad monolithic.
Claude - tasting Tempier with Richard Olney...ok, that is something. Simple French Food and 10 Vineyard Lunches are my all time favorite food or wine books.
The Migoua was fairly reticent on the nose but was such a beautiful mix of every Mourvedre and southern element you can think of. Our crowd had downed a good portion of it by the time I got to a glass, so I felt like I missed out a bit. It was very fine, one for the memory banks.
The Tourtine was fairly angular last night and really 88 or 89 better 1er MSD is a good analogy, but in the sense of how I think of north slope CNP's like the Janasse Chaupin. The nose was open and gorgeous, very complex. It was a tad grippy. This bottle may have been a slight bit off as the cork broke in half on the way out and made me think it had dried at some point. Right now it is lovely but a tad monolithic.
Claude - tasting Tempier with Richard Olney...ok, that is something. Simple French Food and 10 Vineyard Lunches are my all time favorite food or wine books.
Claude Kolm
Claude Kolm
You know, what's bizarre about the 1988 La Miguoa (and the 1987, too), is that they made an ber-cuve in those two years, La Louffe, just like Cabassao is an bercuve of La Tourtine, but then discontinued it because they thought it made La Miguoa too weak. I've never had a problem with either the 1987 or 1988 (or any other vintage) La Miguoa.
Brad -- You should look for his Lulu's Provenal Cookbook and Provence, the Beautiful Cookbook, too.
Brad -- You should look for his Lulu's Provenal Cookbook and Provence, the Beautiful Cookbook, too.
Eden Mylunsch
Eden Mylunsch
I've still got a couple of bottles of 1988 La Louffe in the locker but thus far, three of the four bottles I've opened have been corked and I'm a little gun shy about opening the others. I also have a magnum of it and that one would really hurt if it's suffering from TCA-itis.
I also think that Ravier's wines are excellent, but they're definitely in a different style than at the "old" Tempier. Although Daniel's wines offer a lot of pleasure now, they're should age really well, although without so much of the funk. This is a disaster for those people who LIKE the funk, but for most consumers the style change is a welcome one and will make it easier for people to get into Bandol.
-Eden (and then, there's the topic of pricing)
I also think that Ravier's wines are excellent, but they're definitely in a different style than at the "old" Tempier. Although Daniel's wines offer a lot of pleasure now, they're should age really well, although without so much of the funk. This is a disaster for those people who LIKE the funk, but for most consumers the style change is a welcome one and will make it easier for people to get into Bandol.
-Eden (and then, there's the topic of pricing)
Claude Kolm
Claude Kolm
I had a borderline corked La Louffe 1988 a couple of months ago. Doesn't sound good. What a shame -- I've still got some 750s and mags, too. :(
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
You know, what's bizarre about the 1988 La Miguoa (and the 1987, too), is that they made an ber-cuve in those two years, La Louffe, just like Cabassao is an bercuve of La Tourtine, but then discontinued it because they thought it made La Miguoa too weak. I've never had a problem with either the 1987 or 1988 (or any other vintage) La Miguoa.
Brad -- You should look for his Lulu's Provenal Cookbook and Provence, the Beautiful Cookbook, too.
It seems that La Louffe was a cuvee of cinsault (maybe pure).
Best regards
pierre-alain benoit
originally posted by Brad Kane:
Love the stuff and get far too little of it to sell.
The '89 La Tourtine is probably my favorite of the old school wines, but the '04's up and down the line are pretty special and should be grabbed up if seen.
I smell a Tempier jeebus this fall.
Smells like...."garrigue"!