Swung by a local shop between things today and they had a Rhone tasting going. Nothing was good...and the Mordoree Lirac Reine des Bois...utterly disgusting! I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, it's what everyone says it is, but there it was - a completely anonymous, oaky, plush wineshake! It could have been from anywhere, from any of a half dozen grapes! I just don't drink stuff like that anymore. It was really unsettling. No wonder you people are so on edge! Aaargh!
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originally posted by Brad L i l j e q u i s t:
No wonder you people are so on edge!
What do you mean "you people", motherfucker?!?!
originally posted by Brad L i l j e q u i s t:
Isn't it your bedtime?
I'm all riled up!
I hate when Disorderlies get grouped together. We've got east coast and west coast, with no death and no drama.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
I went off S. Rhones a couple of years ago. Except for some of the Cosme wines, the bottlings I can afford are unappealing. Unfortunately, I still have a small cache of residual CdP.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
The Lirac used to be drinkable. I haven't had one for some years though. Sorry to hear that it has gone over the edge too.
If the only S. Rhone wines I drank were St. Cosme, I'd be off the stuff too. Another place that once made nice wines.
If the only S. Rhone wines I drank were St. Cosme, I'd be off the stuff too. Another place that once made nice wines.
originally posted by Seth Hill:
I've got a 100 point 2001 Mordoree CDP that was a gift- I'm happy to offload for big bucks....a mag of aged Bartolo Mascarello...
A bit unfair (to Bartolo), wouldn't you say?
I see nothing wrong with southern Rhone wines, but I'll have to admit, the playing field has changed from the late 1980's when there were fewer producers to deal with and before the heat (literally and metaphorically) turned up. It is tougher to be certain of things you might enjoy, and I cannot taste all the new labels and little sub-regions that keep coming out. I still think good wine is made there. Somewhere. But it is more difficult to find. And understand that I sometiems enjoy a rich, warm red.
mark meyer
mark meyer
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
The Lirac used to be drinkable. I haven't had one for some years though. Sorry to hear that it has gone over the edge too.
If the only S. Rhone wines I drank were St. Cosme, I'd be off the stuff too. Another place that once made nice wines.
Jonathon
I was wondering if you have had the chance to taste Alary's 07 Cairanne-the basic bottling-not the upper end one? For reference we loved the 05 version.
What vintages were at the tasting?
I've had some luck with southern Rhone wines. They rarely move me, but some are good enough. One that does get me all excited is Rabasse-Charavin - especially her straight 2004 Cairanne. Though, sometimes her higher bottlings get a bit over-ripe for my taste.
I've had some luck with southern Rhone wines. They rarely move me, but some are good enough. One that does get me all excited is Rabasse-Charavin - especially her straight 2004 Cairanne. Though, sometimes her higher bottlings get a bit over-ripe for my taste.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
originally posted by mark meyer:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
The Lirac used to be drinkable. I haven't had one for some years though. Sorry to hear that it has gone over the edge too.
If the only S. Rhone wines I drank were St. Cosme, I'd be off the stuff too. Another place that once made nice wines.
Jonathon
I was wondering if you have had the chance to taste Alary's 07 Cairanne-the basic bottling-not the upper end one? For reference we loved the 05 version.
I had the Alary line-up last year at the Cairanne wine fete, but I don't remember which year they were showing, probably the 05. I liked all of them, as I have for some years. I haven't tasted the 07 or seen it. But I'll look for it in July.
I think there are plenty of good southern Rhones out there - nothing like them on a cold rainy night. Just not these, esp. the Mordoree. What a joke. That wine sums up everything wrong with wine these days. I really was sort of stunned - it had been a long time since I'd had wine like that - I assumed maybe a little modern styled, but this was full tilt internationale oak generica...
I honestly wasn't even paying attention to vintages. 06?
I honestly wasn't even paying attention to vintages. 06?
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
The Lirac used to be drinkable. I haven't had one for some years though. Sorry to hear that it has gone over the edge too.
If the only S. Rhone wines I drank were St. Cosme, I'd be off the stuff too. Another place that once made nice wines.
I probably expressed myself poorly, but Cosme is about the only producer I still like in the region, and I mean his Gigondas. I'd like to try some Pallieres one of these days, though, too. Used to like Gramenon CdRs, too, but I don't see them around much these days.
originally posted by Seth Hill:
I've got a 100 point 2001 Mordoree CDP that was a gift...
Someone gave 100 points to CDP!!!
I thought points were all about hierarchy.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
What I find most interesting is that the points -- narrowly taken -- don't seem to matter until they are very high. I interpret that to mean (a) the bulk of people are not, in fact, paying much attention to points; and/or (b) there are many other wine-decision-making factors which do not co-vary with points.Interesting.
I would be curious to see this data graphed against average available quantity: how much of those price spikes comes from heightened desire and how much from simple rarity?
Inverted, probably.I wonder what those curves would look like for the rest of us. If we gave points that is.
Steven Spielmann
Steven Spielmann
I admit I bought one bottle of wine in my life because Robert Parker gave it 100 points. It wasn't bad exactly - there was some interesting complexity and flavor in all that weird concentration and oak - but given a choice I'd rather drink Tue-Boeuf Cheverny Rouge. For example.
My guess though is that those prices aren't driven by natural wine geeks splurging out of curiosity to see how the other half lives.
My guess though is that those prices aren't driven by natural wine geeks splurging out of curiosity to see how the other half lives.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Interesting; I had no idea WS provided this kind of statistical trivia.
Jeff Connell
Jeff Connell
Wait, wait, wait! Which Tue-Boeuf Cheverny got a hundred points? Is it still available? Where can I get some? Man, I love that Tue-Boeuf Cheverny!