TN: Dinner at Marcs place

Thanks Marc (long time no see!) for your hospitality and an intensely flavourful yet remarkably light dinner of Arctic char on green asparagus with basil and olive pestos, Irish Angus beef steak on rucola (rocket or arugula) salad with Parmesan shavings and roast potatoes, and for dessert, Buffala sour ice cream with fresh strawberries!

Domaine du Centaure Scheurebe Les Eliades 2008
Thanks to Oliver. Pale green, lots of CO2 bubbles. Typical enough Scheurebe florality (not the exotism of the best German examples), smells a bit like some German 2003 Rieslings, with an acidity more reminiscent of many 2001s. Nicely thick apple. Bit tannic, nicely fresh (assisted no doubt by the residual CO2). Pretty stone dust minerality. Medium-plus length. I had never heard of this before, not bad, but I would certainly drink this on the early side. Rating: 88-

It was at this point that I served my wine buddies three 2007 Bazaltbor wines from Badacsony. Tasting notes on those should follow shortly.

Emmanuel Rouget Vosne-Romane Cros Parantoux 1998
Contribution of mine. What a wonderful, positive surprise! Not only exceptionally clean for a 1998, but what a lovely wine, what great terroir expression of one of my favourite Crus! Tender red beet hue to healthy the medium raspberry ruby-black colour. Very well-balanced. Youthful but drinking well. Spicy-meaty, nicely concentrated (definitely expected a lighter wine), deep berry fruit, centered around raspberry with a lightly heavy florality (purple foxglove perhaps Oliver described that top note as Rabaj-like, Barbaresco, that is). Soft roasted nuts, marzipan sweetness from (per se not at all overly prominent) oak. Some roasted duck meat, if not a surface layer of Rhne-like bacon fat. Soft cigar tobacco (as if including the cedar box). Tiny botrytis here only (less so than in Hubert Ligniers Clos de Roche from the same vintage, which I had a weeks ago), and clean as in a top drawer Recioto. Barely any red beet heaviness at all, nor is there much leadiness to the acids. Lovely spicy-sweet finish, fairly long, but as Wolfgang says, not the finish of a great vintage. Fascinating to observe that, even if this no doubt falls just short of greatness, returning to it after Henri Bonneaus awe-inspiring 1998 Cuve Spciale, it stood up to it more easily than Dunns 2004 Howell Mountain! Currently prefer Rougets 1998 Cros Parantoux to the (in the context of the vintage similarly successful) 1997, although the latter is likely to outperform the 1998 in the long run. The 1998 may add some more mature/tertiary characteristics in a few more years time, but despite the balance of component parts, it seems unlikely that it will improve, let alone achieve perfect harmony I am afraid that once the baby fat will be gone, the wine will turn craggy. Retasted half a glass worth after 12 hours, held up well, simply love the slight Rhne characteristics, spice and minerality here. More finesseful and rather sweeter with airing, too (but impressively resistant to oxidation). This is really one of the finest 1998 Burgundies I know. Rating: 94(-?)

Dunn Cabernet Sauvignon Napa Valley Howell Mountain 2004
Thanks to Oliver. Identical to a bottle a couple of weeks ago. More tannic only because every bottle seems fractionally more closed than the last. Love the violet-tinged blackcurrant fruit, a bit like a unusually tasty cough syrup. Good sweetness, also of the oak. Nice but definitely less intense and iodine-like minerality. Very good but not great length. Wolfgang prefers the 2002 (incidentally the other oakiest vintage in recent years, albeit still less modernistic), I like neither as well as the 2001 (let alone the best of the old school). Fair enough as a stylistic compromise perhaps, but then, the 2004 Howell Mountain came across as disturbingly light when one returned to it from Bonneaus 1998 Cuve Spciale (the same was not a problem with Rougets 1998 Cros Parantoux at all). Perplexing, hmm... Rating 92+/93(+?)

Henri Bonneau Chteauneuf-du-Pape Cuve Spciale 1998
Thanks to Wolfgang. 16.7% natural alcohol, about 4-5 g/l residual sugar, from Rserve des Clestins lots that refused to ferment dry. Lot 001 (probably the only one there is?), bottle No. 1040 of 2200 made. Opaque pruney garnet-orange, tiny orange rim, adding gloss with airing. Hugely ripe and thick wine, almost a soup, a bit diffuse at first. Sweat, morels, malt, peaty earth, American hazelnut coffee, complex bitter cocoa, Slivovitz-like damson plum, dried Provenal herbs, with airing also more roasted garrigue. A bit dusty and cedary preserved fruit at first, this currently needs six-plus hours of decanting to gain at least some focus and precision (but there really seemed no end to it reminds of the 1998 Clestins still in bottling shock). So multi-layered and complex. Lovely, lightly dusty Orange Pekoe black tea tannin, that also became racier with airing. Traditional-style Amarone like raisin sweetness on the long finish (again, the wine became longer the longer it aired). Unusual, no doubt, but this should age very well. I remember the 1990 as more precise at the same early stage. The 1998 appears to be, if not better, than bigger it is really one of the most outsized and hard-to-stomach wines I have ever drunk (it reminded me of Greenock Creeks 1995 Roennfeldt Road or Magpie Estates 1996 Malcolm Shirazes in this regard in terms of size alone, it may be the biggest Bonneau ever, surpassing even his 1989 and 1990 Clestins even so, it is fascinating and promising, I had two refills!). Oliver sat in front of his glass shaking his head, mumbling something like I could die and go to Heaven smelling this, but I am not going to finish my glass and indeed, he handed it to Wolfgang shortly thereafter. The complexity and depth are extremely promising, but in contrast to what I had expected (a replay of the 1990 Cuve Spciale? the truth is, I rarely ever have expectations), I recommend letting this settle in bottle for at least another year or two, and would not be surprised if it turned out to be ageworthier than the 1990 (whose Recioto-like character the 1998 is more like Amarone I may have liked best in its early teens). Judging from the way it behaved with air (firming up and becoming more precise and focused, as well as inching closer in character to the 1998 Clestins, of which one might say it is really only a selection of the most concentrated lots), it should slowly become more civilized with bottle age. Probably best to disregard how evolved Bonneaus wines look or even smell sometimes this is a baby monster! Rating: 96+/97(+?)

Lafaurie-Peyraguey Sauternes 1970
Thanks to Wolfgang, a wine from the year of his birth (did not know he is so young was fun discussing all our favourite wines from the vintage). The traditional old Cordier bottle that Marc noted he likes so much. Pristine bottle, perfect fill level apparently (did not see it myself). Quite full yellow-golden colour, looks youthful. Medium-light blood orange and bitter almond, soft dandelion and green tobacco leaf, stale white glue bitter note. Lighter and more medicinal than the best of the vintage, even if I agree with Wolfgang that not even the Yquem is all that much better. A bit Passito-like, in a lean way. A little viscosity becomes this well. Fair enough length. Rather low acidity, even for Sauternes. But not alcoholic given the medium-at-best concentration, plus this retains good medium-plus sweetness. Rating: 87-

Fonseca Guimaraens Vintage Port 1976
A bottle I opened to do Wolfgang (and Oliver, who had previously only had a highly volatile bottle) a favour. Unfortunately, this was slightly volatile too (at this stage, every fourth if not third appears to exhibit that trait, without which this would simply be one of the Ports of the century in a best-case scenario, it is), a bottle whose cork was so loose, it turned revolved around its own axis when I tried to screw in the corkscrew. Even so, I am kind of proud of myself for having recognized this wines greatness back when everyone (professional critics included) claimed it was all tannin, no fruit back when, consequently, it was comparatively easy to come by. The volatile acidity per se is usually less of a problem in this wine than what it takes away from its liveliness, expression and finesse, as well as, in a worst-case scenario, sweetness, complexity and length. Such bottles also tend to be hotter with alcohol and exhibit even more drought year/dried fruit characteristics. Deep, nearly opaque plummy ruby-black with a slight orange rim. Hyper-concentrated dried fig and date, more roasted coffee and chocolate to the sweet plum and mulberry juice than the finest bottles. Slightly hot. More like a traditionally styled Recioto. Despite my reservations Olivers favourite wine of the night. The volatile acidity does not blow off, by the way (it never did in any wine I have ever tasted, although I keep hearing rumours that this should be possible), so that this tasted even hotter and more cedary if not palisander-like (other than that like a fruit cake solid in the mouth) 48 hours later, when I enjoyed my last glass. Perhaps the slightest amount of (undue, of course) oxidation in this bottle, barely noticeable thanks to the extraordinary concentration, density and intensity of this wine. Quite powerful, but not as long as the best bottles. Rating: ~95? (this bottle, pristine ones can be near perfection)

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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I'm really surprised the Dunn drank that well. I'm still drinking mine from the middle 80's and early 90's and none of them are in any danger of going over the hill.
 
originally posted by Lou Kessler:
DunnsI'm really surprised the Dunn drank that well. I'm still drinking mine from the middle 80's and early 90's and none of them are in any danger of going over the hill.

And why should they? That's the crux! Some of my old-style Dunn-loving wine buddies, such as my good friend Rainer, are so bummed (he's fuming mad actually) they're considering not buying any anymore given the change of style. The last vintage I thought worthy of consideration was 2001. The 2004's terroir expression is still typical enough, and the wine remains recognizable as Dunn, but that classic (in the European sense of the term) austerity I used to look for is largely gone. The 2004's (almost) as approachable as modern Bordeaux...

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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J'ai gch vingt ans de mes plus belles annes au billard. Si c'tait refaire, je recommencerais. Roger Conti
 
originally posted by David from Switzerland:
originally posted by Lou Kessler:
DunnsI'm really surprised the Dunn drank that well. I'm still drinking mine from the middle 80's and early 90's and none of them are in any danger of going over the hill.

And why should they? That's the crux! Some of my old-style Dunn-loving wine buddies, such as my good friend Rainer, are so bummed (he's fuming mad actually) they're considering not buying any anymore given the change of style. The last vintage I thought worthy of consideration was 2001. The 2004's terroir expression is still typical enough, and the wine remains recognizable as Dunn, but that classic (in the European sense of the term) austerity I used to look for is largely gone. The 2004's (almost) as approachable as modern Bordeaux...

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
I haven't bought them for the last few years because of too much cab in my cellar. Was unaware they had changed that drastically._________________

J'ai gch vingt ans de mes plus belles annes au billard. Si c'tait refaire, je recommencerais. Roger Conti
 
David,

Before I get to my point, let me encourage you to explain to us about Badacsony. What kinds of wine are they growing on Basalt? How do they do?

What was my point? I think it is this: no entiendo nada - niguno!

Scheurebe that is not German? With a French label?
Rouget Cros Parantoux 1998 is a surprise? How could it possibly live up to expectations?
Dunn Howell Mountain? You're getting out of my range.
The Bonneau, there is not a single word in that paragraph I can understand. Sorry.
Okay, I can find some comfort in the Sauternes and the Porto; I'm not put totally adrift.

But really, if you could give us a clue about the Badascony, I might find something to grab onto.
 
originally posted by Jeff Connell:
David,

Before I get to my point, let me encourage you to explain to us about Badacsony. What kinds of wine are they growing on Basalt? How do they do?

But really, if you could give us a clue about the Badascony, I might find something to grab onto.

I'm sure when David wakes up he can give plenty of details on these wines. But from my brief trip to the region last summer, I drank a bunch of Welsch Riesling (which never quite convinced me) and I was more attracted to the 'noble' grapes of Hrslevel, Furmint, and Muscat. The local Juhfark from Somloi was intriguing however, it seemed so firm and coiled. But then I only had one or two examples, hardly enough to generalize.

I posted my notes on Therapy, which may or may not be accessible, but the summary was also here:

WLDG Link

Therapy Link

Although I should add that it was David who led me to Ambrus.
 
originally posted by Jeff Connell:
David,

Before I get to my point, let me encourage you to explain to us about Badacsony. What kinds of wine are they growing on Basalt? How do they do?

I have never visited the region, only tasted sample bottles (posted TNs on a number of them, I believe), for the most part thanks to the generosity of Ambrus Bak. Please have a look at Rahsaan's links for first-hand impressions. What he mentions there is true, by the way - that I have already jumped to conclusions insofar as one indigenous grape variety seems to me (as well as my wine buddies and family) to fit the basalt soil characteristics like a glove, and would probably be most valuable to market as a niche product outside Hungary: Kknyel. There may be others, too. I'll really have to go there someday.

originally posted by Jeff Connell:

What was my point? I think it is this: no entiendo nada - niguno!

If so, I guess you're out of luck - nor do I... But as Rahsaan implies, I've only just got up.

originally posted by Jeff Connell:

Scheurebe that is not German? With a French label?

It's Swiss, Claude Ramu's Domaine du Centaure in Dardagny (Geneva county). Thanks for pointing me to a typo (silly me), corrected it in my post.

originally posted by Jeff Connell:

Rouget Cros Parantoux 1998 is a surprise? How could it possibly live up to expectations?

The first vintage which Rouget apparently had to vinify himself (if indeed that is true - no change of style, the wine's perhaps filtered a bit more severely, but then, many 1998s are), without the assistance of his famed uncle Henri Jayer. The then Swiss importer gave up on Rouget right afterwards, and when I inquired (back then), I was told "due to the quality loss following the 1997 vintage" (reportedly the last vintage in which Henri Jayer vinified either all wines, or all except the village bottlings, as in 1996). This being the first bottle of any of his 1998s I've had, I was still hoping for the best, or else I would not have served this to my wine boddies, but it's really a variable vintage, so yes, I was really keeping my fingers crossed pulling the cork...

originally posted by Jeff Connell:

Dunn Howell Mountain? You're getting out of my range.

Quid?

originally posted by Jeff Connell:

The Bonneau, there is not a single word in that paragraph I can understand. Sorry.

So am I. Needless to say, I'm unable to solve the problem.

originally posted by Jeff Connell:

Okay, I can find some comfort in the Sauternes and the Porto; I'm not put totally adrift.

Glad to hear! ;^)

originally posted by Jeff Connell:

But really, if you could give us a clue about the Badascony, I might find something to grab onto.

Historically speaking, it must once have been as popular for dry whites as Eger was for dry reds, and Tokaj Hegyalja for sweet whites. The wines I've tasted so far seem to attest to that, even though I haven't yet had any that live up to former fame and/or historical comparisons (to the "other" greatest dry whites of Europe). I wish Ambrus would participate in discussions about Badacsony - he's really a fountain of knowledge, and his English is excellent, but so far, I have not been able to convince him...

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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originally posted by David from Switzerland:
one indigenous grape variety seems to me (as well as my wine buddies and family) to fit the basalt soil characteristics like a glove, and would probably be most valuable to market as a niche product outside Hungary: Kknyel.

Yes, I forgot to mention that in my post above. Seems promising.
 
Have you found 98 burgundies to be particularly unclean, David? I can't think of anything I've had where this has been a problem.
 
originally posted by Tom Blach:
Have you found 98 burgundies to be particularly unclean, David? I can't think of anything I've had where this has been a problem.

Yes, I have, although in the fine wine category where I tend to take/post notes (they're really a reminder to myself, usually on wines I feel may cross my way again, or that I'm especially interested in, or that I'm planning to avoid in the future, be that for qualitative or stylistic reasons), more rarely, or the problem is more subtle. For example, of the two most recent bottles of 1998 Burgundy I've opened, Hubert's Lignier's Clos de la Roche, usually a wine of great purity, smells and tastes even more botrytised than Rouget's Cros Parantoux. Now, where Pinot Noir vinified dry is showing any sign of botrytis, I tend to look for (because botrytis in Pinot Noir already takes away from e.g. purity, freshness, cut, red-fruitiness, finesse etc.) e.g. dustiness, (potential) medicinality etc., as in my experience, such traits tend to become rather more pronounced with bottle age. Having said that, when I use the word "unclean", it's not as if I were referring to the kind of Burgundy I grew up with (where in lesser vintages, wines could be strictly vile, versus lack attraction and/or aging potential for the price, which is what I'm primarily concerned with tasting/drinking/buying wine today).

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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I'm just drinking a modest Fixin from Andre Geoffroy, a magnificent inexpensive burgundy. It seems completely clean except for the very tiniest bretty hint on the finish, something I've not usually noticed in 98s, even those of Maume from whom I've drunk the greatest number. I've mostly drunk villages from this vintage thus far though-while they are in a very early stage of readiness most give phenomenal pleasure. Recent grander wines have been Barthod Cras and Beaux-Bruns, Mugneret Ruchottes, Ponsot CDLR and Lamarche La Grande Rue all of which have been glorious, no hint of botrytis to my nose. The latter two are really for another day,though.
I'm starting to wonder whether for my taste this isn't actually a more exciting vintage than 99, though 99 is most certainly for the long haul.
 
originally posted by Tom Blach:

I'm starting to wonder whether for my taste this isn't actually a more exciting vintage than 99, though 99 is most certainly for the long haul.

I'm glad to hear you've bought 1998s you like - so did I, seems I used good judgment so far. While I wouldn't subscribe to the "more exciting" aspect, my experience with Burgundy is that one can almost always find good wines, and vice versa, that even in so-called top vintages, there are often problem zones (rather than individual letdowns, those are unavoidable), such as many light and underripe villages in 1996, or light 1999s that lack depth etc. Ideally, I buy wines we get to taste at release - other than that, the usual suspects (personal favourites).

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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