Chablis Depression

i'm really enjoying philippe goulley's 07 petit chablis. its got all the typicity i'm looking for, just with less intensity. and, at $19...
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
we had the 05 collet chablis tonight..i found it rather soft......and as long as chablis/muscadet comparisons are being bandied about, the l'ecu guy bossard (which i had recently), at a few dollars less, is so much more of a wine.
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Which makes it so sad that his vines are up for sale.
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And that 2007 and 2008 were so fucked.
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am getting more 06's today
 
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
we had the 05 collet chablis tonight..i found it rather soft......and as long as chablis/muscadet comparisons are being bandied about, the l'ecu guy bossard (which i had recently), at a few dollars less, is so much more of a wine.
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Which makes it so sad that his vines are up for sale.
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And that 2007 and 2008 were so fucked.
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am getting more 06's today
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Were those any better?
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
Were those any better?
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haven't tried the 07/08's for comparison, but the 06's have only gotten better (since i started drinking them a year ago) and i thought they were great to start with.
 
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
haven't tried the 07/08's for comparison, but the 06's have only gotten better (since i started drinking them a year ago) and i thought they were great to start with.
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Ok, you've probably had more than I have. I had a very underwhelming and slightly roasted 06 Gneiss a few months ago and remember other folks on here saying it was typical for his work that vintage.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
haven't tried the 07/08's for comparison, but the 06's have only gotten better (since i started drinking them a year ago) and i thought they were great to start with.
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Ok, you've probably had more than I have. I had a very underwhelming and slightly roasted 06 Gneiss a few months ago and remember other folks on here saying it was typical for his work that vintage.
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mind you, i only refer to the "cuvee guy bossard" 06 (not sure if this labeling makes it to the US...it may be simply his "muscadet sevre et maine"), the cgb appears to be much more open and approachable than the single vineyard cuvees. i've not had other '06's of his. i do remember that his '05 orthogneiss taking a whole day to open up.
 
I second the love for many of these producers, from both Chablis and Muscadet, but no Muscadet can scratch the Chablis itch for me--and vice-versa.

I do really like the Chablis of Jean-Claude Bessin, whose wines I got to know in Virginia, but he's through Kysela--hence, pretty much impossible to find in NYC... Bummer, because the wines are terrific.
 
Drank 1996 Pinson Mont de Milieu last night and while I love Muscadet there really is no comparison. Not that one wine is better than the other just Muscadet is not a Chablis substitute. The Pinson smelled of lemon cream and toffee, tasted like, well, like chardonnay and remains as crisp, clean and richly textured as it was a decade ago. Really nice and for my tastes could go ten or 20 more years.

Best,
Kay
 
Mark,

We like unoaked chablis-so from that leaning I see Binny's has Seguinot-Bordet 07 in stock for $15-we have liked the basic Chablis in the past and have a 05 in the fridge for when Nicole gets here from Oz.Haven't tried the 07.

I have also enjoyed Daniel Defaix's in the past and the 04 Maligny VV was a staple with prawns and spaghetti for us. The Mailgny was around A$22 so I assume low teens here.

FWIW I have found the Chablisienne wines to be hit or miss-a couple of the 06's tasted like Ca. Chards. When we vistied the tasting room everyone was coming in with the 3 liter plastic jugs so maybe I feel I am overpaying when I open a bottle. Love Pinson-I think Vineyard Brands in Birmingham bring them in.

The only decent substitute we have found is some flinty Macons.

mark meyer
 
OK, so today Greg Koslowski of Envoyer sold me the first Chablis I've bought since '02: '08 Tribut AC and Beauroy and a bottle of the '08 Michel Monte de Tonnerre. This last purchase represents a major leap of faith for me as I intend to stick it away for a decade or more before opening. What made all of this palatable for me were the very attractive pricing Envoyer had for these.

Just sayin'
Mark Lipton
 
Mark,
Assuming you can avoid the premox issue, those are pretty nice choices for the cellar.
Or, in the case of the Tribut AC, for the table.
Best, Jim
 
based on recentish bottles of 90 and 94 tribut villages from the fatcave, i'd say there's no need to rush that to the table either.

the michel will need a decade to get over the so2, unless that's your thing.

fb.
 
I tried some Tribut a year or two ago and it didn't grab me. Maybe too young, or, more likely, my taste in Chablis sucks. Jim Cowan posts Tribut notes occasionally that might help you gauge when to open them.

Envoyer has interesting things, and they are very courteous, but their shipping is more expensive than most, in my experience.
 
originally posted by Asher:

Mark, if I understand your post, you're citing two issues: 1. premox, and 2. price.

Excuse my ignorance, but is the premox problem still a concern with later vintages, say 2005 onward? I was under the impression that recent vintages have a much lower chance of premox. If that is true, then the second issue, price, seems to be the larger issue. I've found some pretty good value Chablis, not a lot but some, like Boudin's Cantemerle and Tribut's Lechet.
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I've had 3 out of my last 4 07 DeMoor Rosettes show horrible premox so not so sure they have it under control yet.
As for value I think Picq is pretty fine for the tarrif.
 
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