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Mainlining at Chambers St.
- Thread starter Sharon Bowman
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Kay Bixler
Kay Bixler
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
But as a chart and stats guy, I pronounce this posting Grand Cru quality.
You are the charts and graphs guy? Where have you been? Why haven't you been posting any charts and graphs?
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
They're selling off the inventory!originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Just a chart.Presto.
Steve Edmunds
Steve Edmunds
originally posted by Don Rice:
Here's how the new AOC flu varietal went down at our place
Alan (age 10) had it worst last week; 5 days of fever, TV, jello, boredom. His pediatrician said "congratulations Alan you whipped the swine flu!" - He puffed up with pride and has been cheerfully boasting about it.
James (age 7) had an easier case; 2 days of low grade fever, then a couple days of grouchiness.
Melissa (reported to be 39 these past few years) was totally knocked out for a couple days then bounced right back.
I'm chalking up my flu-avoidance to a regimen of liberal pours of gamay and cabernet franc. That and twenty handwashings a day.
I really hope that's the end of the story!
Is it warm in here?
Don; are your Gamay and Cabernet Franc coming from the same bottle?
Which means that 34% got drugs that couldn't help them in all likelihood. The data from the Phase III trials (which didn't look at very many people who were sick enough to be admitted to hospital, granted) is pretty clear that there is a steady loss of effect as neuraminidase inhibitors are started farther from symptom onset, and that by the time you get to 48 hours you can no longer discern a benefit.originally posted by Dan McQ:
Another interesting piece of info: the CDC indicated last Friday that 50% of those hospitalized did not get treatment with antiviral agents and only 16% got them within 48 hours.
Absolutely correct Joe. That's why we have been advising providers to start treatment as early as possible when people present with ILI and especially if they have a rapid test indicating influenza A. OTOH, the majority of cases have mirrored the anecdotal Rice household series where people get better without antiviral medication.
Absolutely, though the Rices would have suffered less on drug. I'm a little pissed on the topic today--my assistant called in sick last week with a cough and a 102.5* fever 12 hours after symptom onset and couldn't get her doctor to prescribe tamiflu even after I told her to insist. She was out for 10 days and had secondary bacterial bronchitis in the meantime.originally posted by Dan McQ:
Absolutely correct Joe. That's why we have been advising providers to start treatment as early as possible when people present with ILI and especially if they have a rapid test indicating influenza A. OTOH, the majority of cases have mirrored the anecdotal Rice household series where people get better without antiviral medication.
originally posted by SFJoe:
Absolutely, though the Rices would have suffered less on drug. I'm a little pissed on the topic today--my assistant called in sick last week with a cough and a 102.5* fever 12 hours after symptom onset and couldn't get her doctor to prescribe tamiflu even after I told her to insist. She was out for 10 days and had secondary bacterial bronchitis in the meantime.
I'll remember this advice should my luck abate.
For now I'm happy believing in the protective qualities of Pothiers gamay and Guion CF.
Of course, 10% or so of people on tamiflu throw up, which can't be true of Pothiers gamay.originally posted by Don Rice:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Absolutely, though the Rices would have suffered less on drug. I'm a little pissed on the topic today--my assistant called in sick last week with a cough and a 102.5* fever 12 hours after symptom onset and couldn't get her doctor to prescribe tamiflu even after I told her to insist. She was out for 10 days and had secondary bacterial bronchitis in the meantime.
I'll remember this advice should my luck abate.
For now I'm happy believing in the protective qualities of Pothiers gamay and Guion CF.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Guion, on the other hand...
originally posted by SFJoe:
Of course, 10% or so of people on tamiflu throw up, which can't be true of Pothiers gamay.
One of that 10% cohort was a colleague of mine who developed a whopping case of aspiration pneumonia as a result. OTOH, you can always try Relenza and wheeze your way to health.
Whole NYAS event is now online here.originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by slaton:
Now we just need Guilhaume and fatboy to chime in and say the Bregeon tastes like jizz.
Geez, VLM is everywhere!
Sweet.
I love that New York City has a Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.
Mens sana and all....originally posted by Dan McQ:
Sweet.
I love that New York City has a Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.
From Margaret Chan (head of WHO) today:originally posted by SFJoe:
This flu seems particularly prevalent among people under 18, for reasons no one can particularly explain.
"We know that the novel H1N1 virus preferentially infects younger people. In nearly all areas with large and sustained outbreaks, the majority of cases have occurred in people under the age of 25 years.
In some of these countries, around 2% of cases have developed severe illness, often with very rapid progression to life-threatening pneumonia.
Most cases of severe and fatal infections have been in adults between the ages of 30 and 50 years.
This pattern is significantly different from that seen during epidemics of seasonal influenza, when most deaths occur in frail elderly people."
originally posted by SFJoe:
From Margaret Chan (head of WHO) today:originally posted by SFJoe:
This flu seems particularly prevalent among people under 18, for reasons no one can particularly explain.
"We know that the novel H1N1 virus preferentially infects younger people. In nearly all areas with large and sustained outbreaks, the majority of cases have occurred in people under the age of 25 years.
In some of these countries, around 2% of cases have developed severe illness, often with very rapid progression to life-threatening pneumonia.
Most cases of severe and fatal infections have been in adults between the ages of 30 and 50 years.
This pattern is significantly different from that seen during epidemics of seasonal influenza, when most deaths occur in frail elderly people."
That's faintly reminiscent of the 1918 flu. Then, the majority of fatalities were confusingly in young adults aged 18-30, the opposite of the normal inverted bell curve of flu fatalities. That was attributed to prior antigenic exposure in the elderly and a "cytokine storm" in people with mature immune systems, thereby excluding the young from the worst aspects of the infection.
Mark Lipton
originally posted by SFJoe:
The details of the 1918 morbidity and mortality remain quite controversial, it must be said. Cytokine storms are currently fashionable, but CNS tropism was all the rage at one time.
Is the cytokine storm theory part of the "it was really secondary infections" story?