Black bamboo

Florida Jim

Florida Jim
Last year, we planted a stand of black bamboo in our yard. Recent daily rains have initiated a growth spurt and I have been watching as it appears to practically grow before my eyes. Its putting on at least two inches a day. Never saw anything like it.
While keeping one eye on this remarkable plant, weve tried a few wines:

Whites:

2005 Pieropan, Soave La Rocca:
For a wine that sees wood, I could barely pick-up any influence which, for me, is a good thing. Golden in color; powerfully scented and intense in the mouth, this wine will probably outlive me. But it was also delicious with a dish of pasta with smoked salmon, artichokes and fava beans in a light cream sauce. In this vintage, this bottling is very, very good.

2002 Luneau-Papin, Muscadet Excelsior Terroir de Schistes:
Complex and clean nose with lots of bright aromas and focused scents; similar in the mouth but with more breadth and concentration; good length. More mineral/earth in the mouth but less precise than the Granite de Clisson but very similar in texture and depth. Perfect with Bn chả (chicken). About $20, although I got this on sale for less.

2006 Louis Michel, Petit Chablis:
Reticent nose; slightly herbaceous (dried herbs not green) and a touch thin but otherwise, fairly representative village-type Chablis; surprising length. The length makes me think this could use a year or two in bottle but its tasty now. Done entirely in stainless; screwcap. About $20.

2003 Chteau Ral DOr, Ctes de Provence:
Made of marsanne, grenache blanc and picpoul, 12.5% alcohol and about $6; slightly tired nose with a hint of oxidation; much the same in the mouth, lacking freshness, solid flavors and medium length. Past it might have been nice on release but it isnt worth the calories now.

Reds:

2007 Overnoy, Arbois Pupillin:
Translucent salmon color; pomegranate, baking spice and mineral nose; beginning to fill out in the mouth with flavors that follow the nose and add wild raspberry accents, dry, intense and beautifully balanced; quite long. Exhilarating wine.

2006 Overnoy, Arbois Pupillin:
Much the same as the foregoing wine except that this is built more for the long term, has greater concentration and structure but is less open now and speaks to me of the character of a mature Burgundy in ways the 2007 does not. Beyond good with a fresh tuna and white bean salad.

(Aside: Both of these wines (as well as past vintages) are some of the most enjoyed in my cellar. They have a distinctive character that is unlike any other, they are terrific with food, they make me happy to drink them, and they appeal to the intellect. A tip of the cap to Louis/Dressner, the importer; people who truly care about the wines they select for their portfolio.)

2007 Cadencias, Ribera del Guadiana:
Half and half tempranillo and syrah; 13.5% alcohol and about $10; has a bit of chocolate covered cherry in the nose but also some earthiness and spice; much the same in the mouth, no wood, moderately concentrated, not quite of a piece and medium length. So much better with food that I would not drink it by itself again.

2006 Emperador de Barros, Ribera del Guadiana:
Mostly tempranillo, 13.5% alcohol and about $8. Smells like someone made cotton candy out of wine and tastes similar . . . at first. As it opens, more depth and character arrive but this never stops being fairly sweet. Not my style but I can see this appealing to folks who dont like their reds too dry.

Lot 48 Marietta Cellars, Old Vine Red:
Adequate quaffing wine but after it gets some air, too much wood for me and a little thin. Still, pleasant. About $14.

2006 Primarius, Pinot Noir:
Charming, amiable wine; not over-stated or over-oaked, pretty aromatics, elegant textures, lovely flavors and good length. Not something to cellar but a very easy to drink Oregon pinot. $14.

2005 Domaine des Chassaud, Ctes de Rhone:
Smells mostly of grenache and earth; tastes dark and somewhat tannic and has good length, albeit slightly drying but this could be CdP if one wasnt looking at the label. A nice wine with structure and more complexity than expected. 14% alcohol and about $11; worth a try.

2006 Vinosia, Irpinia Aglianico:
13% alcohol and about $15; smells a little like talcum powder; tastes pretty good but has a semi-sweet edge that doesnt seem to go away and medium length. Neither obvious tannins nor noticeable structure. Definitely not reminiscent of Taurasi and, IMO, not anything Id buy again.

2005 Domaine A. et P. De Villaine, Bourgogne La Digoine:
12.5% alcohol and about $32, on release; wild cherry nose that is focused and stylish; youthful, etched fruit with a firm, mineral underpinning, precise balance, vigorous yet nicely austere; dense on the finish (think young Corton). A wine of breed and class with many years left in the cellar. Lovely.

Best, Jim
 
Jim, I've enjoyed reading your Overnoy notes over the last year or so....was going to pull the trigger on the '06, then noticed one of your recent notes saying you felt it was closing down, so I held off. Looks like you're still enjoying it nonetheless. I will look for both vintages here. Thanks.

Re - The bamboo....definitely keep an eye on it; some species have been clocked at a foot and a half per day. Do you have it in a raised bed, or a barrier sunk in (or does it matter if it goes hog wild on your property?)
 
Thanks for these. I also very much appreciate these Overnoy notes (yours and those of others). My experience with these wines over the last year has moved my frame of reference for wine-drinking as much as any wines I have had.
 
Joel,
The bamboo is in the ground and is the clumping variety. Very beautiful and amazingly vigorous.
B|est, Jim
 
Have you noticed a change in style over the years? I remember the 1993 Overnoy and one or two more examples from the mid 1990s as rustic and stinky. The 2007 impressed me for its refinement, without remotely having had the life scrubbed out of it.
 
Cliff,
I had bottles of the 2002 that stunk pretty good. Still tasted great.
But what you say of the 2007 is my impression as well.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:


2005 Domaine A. et P. De Villaine, Bourgogne La Digoine:
12.5% alcohol and about $32, on release; wild cherry nose that is focused and stylish; youthful, etched fruit with a firm, mineral underpinning, precise balance, vigorous yet nicely austere; dense on the finish (think young Corton). A wine of breed and class with many years left in the cellar. Lovely.

I was recently able to sample wine this at Kermit Lynch Portfolio tasting and I was dully impressed. The wine served was the 2007 vintage but showed beautifully. This as an exceptional wine, your description nails it, a wine that pulls you in and requires you to come back to it again and again. After tasting this wine I found the big ticket CdP's and the grenache heavy cuvees from Tempier flabby and almost cloyingly sweet.

This is the type of wine to be avoided if one hopes to stay clear of the Burgundy disease.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Ribera del Guadiana:
Wow, Jim. You really cover the geeky appellations. I don't think I've ever had two Ribera del Guadianas in succession... :-)
 
originally posted by VS:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Ribera del Guadiana:
Wow, Jim. You really cover the geeky appellations. I don't think I've ever had two Ribera del Guadianas in succession... :-)

My pocket protector is real Corinthian leather.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by JasonA:
I was recently able to sample wine this at Kermit Lynch Portfolio tasting and I was dully impressed. The wine served was the 2007 vintage but showed beautifully. This as an exceptional wine, your description nails it, a wine that pulls you in and requires you to come back to it again and again. After tasting this wine I found the big ticket CdP's and the grenache heavy cuvees from Tempier flabby and almost cloyingly sweet.

This is the type of wine to be avoided if one hopes to stay clear of the Burgundy disease.

A couple of years ago I was at a local store tasting where the hosts served some super-premium southern Rhone wine after a long flight of very good Burgundy sips. I've hardly been able to drink a CdP since. Though I'd still like to try Kermit's Pallieres (a Gigonda, I know, not a CdP).
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by JasonA:
I was recently able to sample wine this at Kermit Lynch Portfolio tasting and I was dully impressed. The wine served was the 2007 vintage but showed beautifully. This as an exceptional wine, your description nails it, a wine that pulls you in and requires you to come back to it again and again. After tasting this wine I found the big ticket CdP's and the grenache heavy cuvees from Tempier flabby and almost cloyingly sweet.

This is the type of wine to be avoided if one hopes to stay clear of the Burgundy disease.

A couple of years ago I was at a local store tasting where the hosts served some super-premium southern Rhone wine after a long flight of very good Burgundy sips. I've hardly been able to drink a CdP since. Though I'd still like to try Kermit's Pallieres (a Gigonda, I know, not a CdP).

Tempiers are hardly grenache based (I know, Ian, you didn't say this, I'm just going for a twofer). Depending on the cuvee, they run between 60% and 90% mourvedre, with the rest being mixes. One may find them flabby, but not because of grenache.

And if one doesn't like big CdPs, I doubt Pallieres will scratch an itch as it's hardly sylph-like.
 
I've never had a Tempier and would love to try one. They are out of my normal price range, and, given the aging time they seem to require, I haven't mustered the nerve to buy the odd research bottle.

For some reason I continue to like St. Cosme, so I'd be willing to spin the wheel on Pallieres. But I don't get CdP, similar though it may be, in principle.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by JasonA:
I was recently able to sample wine this at Kermit Lynch Portfolio tasting and I was dully impressed. The wine served was the 2007 vintage but showed beautifully. This as an exceptional wine, your description nails it, a wine that pulls you in and requires you to come back to it again and again. After tasting this wine I found the big ticket CdP's and the grenache heavy cuvees from Tempier flabby and almost cloyingly sweet.

This is the type of wine to be avoided if one hopes to stay clear of the Burgundy disease.

A couple of years ago I was at a local store tasting where the hosts served some super-premium southern Rhone wine after a long flight of very good Burgundy sips. I've hardly been able to drink a CdP since. Though I'd still like to try Kermit's Pallieres (a Gigonda, I know, not a CdP).

Tempiers are hardly grenache based (I know, Ian, you didn't say this, I'm just going for a twofer). Depending on the cuvee, they run between 60% and 90% mourvedre, with the rest being mixes. One may find them flabby, but not because of grenache.

And if one doesn't like big CdPs, I doubt Pallieres will scratch an itch as it's hardly sylph-like.

From my somewhat limited memory (I spent a little too much time at the Eno Machine which I later refered to as the "Winegasmatron") and the program provided:

Domaine Tempier 2006 Bandol "Migoua"- this wine was described as having a somewhat high percentage of Grenache. I commented to the server on the sweetness - she said grenache - balanced by structure - she said mourvedre.

Domaine Tempier 2006 Bandol Rouge - served from the Eno Machine. This wine tasted of mourvedre and similar to the only previous Bandol Rouge I had previously drunk, that being a 2003. Powerful but light on its feet with lovely minerality - and I would never consider it flabby - this from a 2003.

Domaine Tempier 2006 Bandol "La Tourtine" - served from the Eno Machine. This wine exhibited even more sweetness than the "Migoua" - which I attributed to an even higher percentage of grenache.

Domaine Les Pallieres 2005 - This is the one I wanted to taste and buy. This wine was quite reserved and tight. This wine needs some time to open up. This is a grenache based wine and it says a lot about 2005 vs. 2006 and Gigondas vs Bandol. I did not buy any and I attribute this to being spoiled by the Burgundy.
 
originally posted by JasonA:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by JasonA:
I was recently able to sample wine this at Kermit Lynch Portfolio tasting and I was dully impressed. The wine served was the 2007 vintage but showed beautifully. This as an exceptional wine, your description nails it, a wine that pulls you in and requires you to come back to it again and again. After tasting this wine I found the big ticket CdP's and the grenache heavy cuvees from Tempier flabby and almost cloyingly sweet.

This is the type of wine to be avoided if one hopes to stay clear of the Burgundy disease.

A couple of years ago I was at a local store tasting where the hosts served some super-premium southern Rhone wine after a long flight of very good Burgundy sips. I've hardly been able to drink a CdP since. Though I'd still like to try Kermit's Pallieres (a Gigonda, I know, not a CdP).

Tempiers are hardly grenache based (I know, Ian, you didn't say this, I'm just going for a twofer). Depending on the cuvee, they run between 60% and 90% mourvedre, with the rest being mixes. One may find them flabby, but not because of grenache.

And if one doesn't like big CdPs, I doubt Pallieres will scratch an itch as it's hardly sylph-like.

From my somewhat limited memory (I spent a little too much time at the Eno Machine which I later refered to as the "Winegasmatron") and the program provided:

Domaine Tempier 2006 Bandol "Migoua"- this wine was described as having a somewhat high percentage of Grenache. I commented to the server on the sweetness - she said grenache - balanced by structure - she said mourvedre.

Domaine Tempier 2006 Bandol Rouge - served from the Eno Machine. This wine tasted of mourvedre and similar to the only previous Bandol Rouge I had previously drunk, that being a 2003. Powerful but light on its feet with lovely minerality - and I would never consider it flabby - this from a 2003.

Domaine Tempier 2006 Bandol "La Tourtine" - served from the Eno Machine. This wine exhibited even more sweetness than the "Migoua" - which I attributed to an even higher percentage of grenache.

Domaine Les Pallieres 2005 - This is the one I wanted to taste and buy. This wine was quite reserved and tight. This wine needs some time to open up. This is a grenache based wine and it says a lot about 2005 vs. 2006 and Gigondas vs Bandol. I did not buy any and I attribute this to being spoiled by the Burgundy.

Migoua is the cuvee with the lowest percenage of Mourvedre, I believe, running between 50 and 65%. Their web description says the other significant grape is Cinsault and that they seek an "animale" flavor, which I would say they find. Tourtine runs 70-80% Mourvedre, so even if all the rest is Grenache, it seems unlikely to be higher than La Migoua. You may have been reacting to the youth of the wine. But maybe things have changed since the website. I know they have a relatively new winemaker since the middle of this decade.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:


Migoua is the cuvee with the lowest percenage of Mourvedre, I believe, running between 50 and 65%. Their web description says the other significant grape is Cinsault and that they seek an "animale" flavor, which I would say they find. Tourtine runs 70-80% Mourvedre, so even if all the rest is Grenache, it seems unlikely to be higher than La Migoua. You may have been reacting to the youth of the wine. But maybe things have changed since the website. I know they have a relatively new winemaker since the middle of this decade.

Makes sense. Other than palate fatigue, the perceived sweetness of the Tourtine vs. the Migoua may be from Cinsault and not Grenache. Or is it the new winemaker? Who knows.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Joel,
The bamboo is in the ground and is the clumping variety. Very beautiful and amazingly vigorous.
B|est, Jim

Jim,
If what you've got is Phyllostachys nigra, the classic "black bamboo" of E Asia, it's not strictly speaking a clumping bamboo. All phyllostachys bamboos are running bamboos, putting out rhizomes underground and spreading by up to 15' per growing season. I put in a grove of P. bisetti 'dwarf' in our backyard, and to contain it I dug a 2' deep trench and put a sheet metal root barrier into it because I couldn't find a thick enough polyproylene root barrier locally. Sand and water also serve as effective containment barriers for running bamboos, but otherwise prepare to see it spread as far as the eye can see. Even with my root barrier, I've had to tear out a few escapees who've gone over the damn barrier.

P. nigra is achingly beautiful, though. I envy you the warm winters needed to keep it alive and good-looking. My P. bisetti is about the only species cold hardy enough for flyover country and even so it loses all its foliage in the winters.

Mark Lipton
 
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