OK, now this one got under my skin

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Mordoree...ok, I guess I shouldn't have been surprised. But last night, at some friends, after enjoying a soothing 89 Pontifical CNP, an 04 Mont Olivet standard cuvee...a bland, oaky, internationale with zero character and no way at all to identify as CNP. One of the best wines I've had this year was an 88 Mt. Olivet. How this formerly traditional producer could finally give in is totally depressing.

I will note that this was one of those NBI Cuvee Uniques, so it might be a standalone anomoly. But still - extremely disturbing. (As a side note, I think NBI's wannabee winemaker stance is just so laughable and stupid - generally, they trash what the touch).

I drink so few young wines that when I come across this sort of thing it really throws me for a loop.
 
I haven't had a Mt. Olivet since the 98 or 99 (for no good reason). This is depressing. I read tasting notes that don't describe it this way. And there is a Danish web site that describes blends and has the normal cuvee seeing only tank and foudre. So it could be a special Kermit cuvee. I hope so as despite my having missed buying them for some years, they are or were a good old line producer.
 
Jonathan, other than the fact that NBI and Kermit are both located in Berkeley, they have nothing to do with each other. Confusing them on the basis of where they are located is rather like confusing Mitch McConnell and Barrack Obama based on the fact that they both live in Washington, DC. :)
 
I've had any number of newer Mont Olivet releases and none of them have been remotely oaky.

Of course I don't get the NBI release, just the normal ones which likely shields me from such debasement of good wine.
 
the papet cuvee changed a lot from 98 to 00. not in terms of oak regime, but yes in terms of extraction, ripeness level and alcohol. i stopped buying
 
originally posted by Ignacio Villalgordo:
the papet cuvee changed a lot from 98 to 00. not in terms of oak regime, but yes in terms of extraction, ripeness level and alcohol. i stopped buying
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Papet changed another way in that it became a much higher proportion of their wine. This has probably had some effect on their basic cuvee, though not necessarily spoofulation.
 
"Our Cuve Unique bottling is very similar, in blending and style, to the domaines special bottling, Cuve du Papeta blend the family only bottles in exceptional years."

That explains it.
 
In all fairness, NBI does have a relatively small number of top notch producers such as Mugneret/Mugneret-Gibourg, both Cotats, Vacheron, Anne Gros, Pousse d'Or (yeah, they've improved amazingly in recent years) -- none of whom produces a special cuve for NBI and none of whom, as far as I can tell, NBI hypes or pushes like the others that are of a very different approach.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
In all fairness, NBI does have a relatively small number of top notch producers such as Mugneret/Mugneret-Gibourg, both Cotats, Vacheron, Anne Gros, Pousse d'Or (yeah, they've improved amazingly in recent years) -- none of whom produces a special cuve for NBI and none of whom, as far as I can tell, NBI hypes or pushes like the others that are of a very different approach.
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Claude, you are such a name-dropper.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
In all fairness, NBI does have a relatively small number of top notch producers such as Mugneret/Mugneret-Gibourg, both Cotats, Vacheron, Anne Gros, Pousse d'Or (yeah, they've improved amazingly in recent years) -- none of whom produces a special cuve for NBI and none of whom, as far as I can tell, NBI hypes or pushes like the others that are of a very different approach.
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I've also bought non-Unique Ren Engel wines from them in years gone by. Is he still brought in by NBI?

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
In all fairness, NBI does have a relatively small number of top notch producers such as Mugneret/Mugneret-Gibourg, both Cotats, Vacheron, Anne Gros, Pousse d'Or (yeah, they've improved amazingly in recent years) -- none of whom produces a special cuve for NBI and none of whom, as far as I can tell, NBI hypes or pushes like the others that are of a very different approach.
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I've also bought non-Unique Ren Engel wines from them in years gone by. Is he still brought in by NBI?

Mark Lipton
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DNE.
 
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