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originally posted by Marshall Manning:
originally posted by Todd Abrams:
If you're suggesting that the appeal of Joy Division is the tragedy of their lead singer you only need to reference Mark Lipton's insightful post regarding the musical influence still showing up nearly three decades later.
I'm not going to pretend to know Mark's (or Lars') musical history, but not that many people listened to Joy Division when Curtis was alive. Like Jim Morrison, I think much of the attention was brought on after his death. While he may have been an "inspiration" for depressed goth bands since (is there really such a thing as inspiring depression?), I can't help but believe that a lot of the people who listened to Joy Division (whether musicians or not) were introduced to them after the bad was done.
Marshall, who had "Never Mind the Bollocks" on 8-track.
That's true. 1980 was a little early for me. It would have been 1983-1984 before I started.
lars makie
lars makie
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Marshall Manning:
originally posted by Todd Abrams:
If you're suggesting that the appeal of Joy Division is the tragedy of their lead singer you only need to reference Mark Lipton's insightful post regarding the musical influence still showing up nearly three decades later.
I'm not going to pretend to know Mark's (or Lars') musical history, but not that many people listened to Joy Division when Curtis was alive. Like Jim Morrison, I think much of the attention was brought on after his death. While he may have been an "inspiration" for depressed goth bands since (is there really such a thing as inspiring depression?), I can't help but believe that a lot of the people who listened to Joy Division (whether musicians or not) were introduced to them after the bad was done.
Marshall, who had "Never Mind the Bollocks" on 8-track.
That's true. 1980 was a little early for me. It would have been 1983-1984 before I started.
I'm sure we could get into a pissing match all day long as to who was into something before the other (which ironically falls into the 'hipster' world). It's not when or how you get into something, whether it's Joy Division well after Ian's suicide (by seeing Metallica wear their t-shirt in '87, thus completely oblivious to the band's history) or Nick Drake via a VW commerical (good example of an artist seeing 99% of their fans after death) or Basquiat after the movie. The list is long, but if it brings you pleasure, fuck if I care how you stumbled across it... Excuse me while I go check Pitchfork.
originally posted by lars makie:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Marshall Manning:
originally posted by Todd Abrams:
If you're suggesting that the appeal of Joy Division is the tragedy of their lead singer you only need to reference Mark Lipton's insightful post regarding the musical influence still showing up nearly three decades later.
I'm not going to pretend to know Mark's (or Lars') musical history, but not that many people listened to Joy Division when Curtis was alive. Like Jim Morrison, I think much of the attention was brought on after his death. While he may have been an "inspiration" for depressed goth bands since (is there really such a thing as inspiring depression?), I can't help but believe that a lot of the people who listened to Joy Division (whether musicians or not) were introduced to them after the bad was done.
Marshall, who had "Never Mind the Bollocks" on 8-track.
That's true. 1980 was a little early for me. It would have been 1983-1984 before I started.
I'm sure we could get into a pissing match all day long as to who was into something before the other (which ironically falls into the 'hipster' world). It's not when or how you get into something, whether it's Joy Division well after Ian's suicide (by seeing Metallica wear their t-shirt in '87, thus completely oblivious to the band's history) or Nick Drake via a VW commerical (good example of an artist seeing 99% of their fans after death) or Basquiat after the movie. The list is long, but if it brings you pleasure, fuck if I care how you stumbled across it... Excuse me while I go check Pitchfork.
Wow! Nike Drake in a VW commercial? That's crazy.
I'm not a particularly hip music guy, but I do love Joy Division.
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originally posted by VLM:
Wow! Nike Drake in a VW commercial? That's crazy.
One of the few commercials I can actually watch. They also did a cool one with ORBs Little Fluffly Clouds and a rotating Beetle. I must have been their target demographic.
Chris, are you serious about Yma Sumac? Shes in a bunch of the Ultralounge compilations. What a range!
Putnam Weekley
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What do people think of Phil Ochs?
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putnam
originally posted by Todd Abrams:
originally posted by VLM:
Wow! Nike Drake in a VW commercial? That's crazy.
One of the few commercials I can actually watch.
Say Errol Morris' Errol Morris' MHL series is another.
Marshall Manning
Marshall Manning
originally posted by lars makie:
I'm sure we could get into a pissing match all day long as to who was into something before the other (which ironically falls into the 'hipster' world).
Lars, just to clarify, it wasn't intended to be a pissing match. I just believe that they would have had much less attention focused on them had they made a few records and broken up after a few years (like most of the late '70s/early '80s bands) as opposed to Curtis committing suicide.
Regarding TV commercials, I've been enjoying some of the old things that are now used for commercials that were considered "unlistenable" by the mainstream in their time. I think it was VW who used the Clash's version of "Pressure Drop"? And I've also seen commercials using old Ramones and Buzzcocks tunes, which really surprised me.
lars makie
lars makie
originally posted by Marshall Manning:
Regarding TV commercials, I've been enjoying some of the old things that are now used for commercials that were considered "unlistenable" by the mainstream in their time. I think it was VW who used the Clash's version of "Pressure Drop"? And I've also seen commercials using old Ramones and Buzzcocks tunes, which really surprised me.originally posted by lars makie:
I'm sure we could get into a pissing match all day long as to who was into something before the other (which ironically falls into the 'hipster' world).
No, it was Nissan (sorry, I know too much about commercials)... I know it's kind of funny seeing all these punk and proto-punk songs being used in spots. One of the reasons is that the people who are making them now have a lot of times grown up with that music or are just fans.