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Rahsaan

Rahsaan
(2003) Philippe Jambon VdT de France Baltailles
Why did I buy this? I thought it would be interesting because it was something that I do not usually run across and the clerk pitched it as a fascinatingly delicate gamay for the vintage that was beginning to take on pinot noir characteristics although always in the fragrant gamay mold. Well sure, if you consider brown funk to be a core pinot noir characteristic. Undrinkable.

2006 Eric Morgat Savennires LEnclos
I had been curious about these Morgat wines for some time and heard that the style was getting more precise in recent years. Not having tasted previous vintages I cant make the comparison but this was still a bit too polished for my tastes. The fruit is round and polished but not at all oaky or clumsy. Yet it gets too tiring and does not inspire me to keep drinking. I want more vivacity in my Savennires!

2003 Domaine de la Citadelle Ctes du Luberon Gouverneur Saint Auban
Speaking of tiring. A friend gave me a bottle of this because he thought it was the most impressive example of the rising Ctes du Luberon appellation and he even slipped in some words about massive Parker points. Well I dont care much for the Luberon or Parker points, but I can see why this might appeal to those who like to drink dry port with their meals. For the rest of us mere mortals: no thank you!

2005 Jean Foillard Morgon ∏ Cuve 3,14
My first time with the special Foillard cuve and it did not disappoint. Definitely darker deeper and richer than the other bottlings but very fine, clear, focused, and picks up some lively tactile texture as it airs. Just what one would expect. One might prefer the other bottlings for something a bit less serious but this did not sacrifice the Foillard life and joy and was just another interpretation of Pure Pleasure.

2000 Henri Gouges Nuits St. Georges Les Pruliers
With a little bit of air this drinks very very well. Not the most precise wine, and the nose/flavors are ever so slightly muddy, so Im guessing I wouldnt hold onto this forever. But it does have elegant threads of firm and ever so slightly sweaty sweet supple well-framed fruit. Not a blockbuster, but fun with the meal.

2000 Jean Grivot Nuits St. Georges Les Roncires
This needs more air than the Gouges Pruliers and over a few hours it shows lots and lots of exuberant pleasure. Friendly juicy wine with nice firmness for support and some underlying minerality to keep the palate alive. The sweet cherry beet note is a bit monotone and seems to betray a lack of nobility, but Im no snob and this was so expressive and well-proportioned that I was more than happy to drink it.

1996 Henri Gouges Nuits St. Georges Les Vaucrains
I opened this after hearing reports from a reliable source that a recent bottle had been outstanding. Well this was not exactly outstanding but it was better than I feared. Not at all tannic or acidic or difficult to drink. It was very clear, focused, deep, and elegant with plenty of firm fruit to toss around the mouth. All things considered it is probably not the best time to open it given what future developments probably have in store. But for those who are curious this was just fine to drink and avoids those Gouges stereotypes.

2006 Ghislaine Barthod Bourgogne Rouge
Not bad for Bourgogne rouge. Thats it.
 
Hey Rashaan, how much was for the Pi from Foillard ? Saw it at the sampler for 35. A bit steep, in that price arena you can find decently aged Fourriers (2000s/1998s)...

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originally posted by Filippo Mattia Ginanni:
Hey Rahsaan, how much was for the Pi from Foillard ? Saw it at the sampler for 35. A bit steep...

That is massively steep indeed. Some of their prices are fair but then others are larcenous.

I bought it in Paris for approx 25euros. Not exactly bargain basement but fair considering the quality of the wine.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:

2003 Domaine de la Citadelle Ctes du Luberon Gouverneur Saint Auban
Speaking of tiring. A friend gave me a bottle of this because he thought it was the most impressive example of the rising Ctes du Luberon appellation and he even slipped in some words about massive Parker points. Well I dont care much for the Luberon or Parker points, but I can see why this might appeal to those who like to drink dry port with their meals. For the rest of us mere mortals: no thank you!

Perhaps a vintage characteristic, or a heat damaged bottle because i have had several bottles from this estate over the years and have had good experiences.
Never thought of Citadelle's wines as over manipulated or trying to be anything they weren't suppossed to be. If anything quite the opposite.

also, can't imagine these wines would get much attention from parker, spectator, etc.

A good estate,I'd give them another chance.
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:

Perhaps a vintage characteristic, or a heat damaged bottle because i have had several bottles from this estate over the years and have had good experiences.
Never thought of Citadelle's wines as over manipulated or trying to be anything they weren't suppossed to be. If anything quite the opposite..

I never meant to imply that the wine was manipulated or false. It tasted like a well-made full-on 2003 red wine from Southern France. Not really a combination that inspires a lot of excitement from me. But then I have different preferences.

But, will keep in mind your recommendation to look for them in other vintages.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:

Perhaps a vintage characteristic, or a heat damaged bottle because i have had several bottles from this estate over the years and have had good experiences.
Never thought of Citadelle's wines as over manipulated or trying to be anything they weren't suppossed to be. If anything quite the opposite..

I never meant to imply that the wine was manipulated or false. It tasted like a well-made full-on 2003 red wine from Southern France. Not really a combination that inspires a lot of excitement from me. But then I have different preferences.

But, will keep in mind your recommendation to look for them in other vintages.

i guess i was reacting more to the big parker points comment. which may very well be true, but i'd be suprised based on my experience.

fwiw, Domaine Citadelle gets a nice mention in "the Accidental Connoisseur" by Lawrence Osborne.
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:

i guess i was reacting more to the big parker points comment. which may very well be true, but i'd be suprised based on my experience..

When you say you would be surprised is that because the wines are usually rustic/light? How would you describe the usual style?
 
yeah, definetely rustic and understated wines. the lesser expensive stuff is good value food friendly. decent white and rose too.

this means nothing but.... a couple summers ago when ryan phillipe was filming something in delaware, rece witherspoon happened in my favorite local wine shop and fell in love with citadelle's rose. she bought several bottles.

i think also that domaine citadelle is home to an extensive collection of corkscrews and may even have a museum of sorts.
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
yeah, definetely rustic and understated wines. the lesser expensive stuff is good value food friendly. decent white and rose too...i think also that domaine citadelle is home to an extensive collection of corkscrews and may even have a museum of sorts.

Interesting. Well, as I said, my friend is a huge fan so I imagine he'll be opening more of them for me in the future. Sounds good.
 
originally posted by Yixin: I liked the '04 Baltailles very much. Vintage, perhaps?

Perhaps. But I've heard that his general style is a bit quirky and probably not the cleanest gamay so I didn't expect to become a big fan. Maybe you just like the style? Or 04 was different? I was warned away from buying the 07 because it was supposedly very very reduced.
 
'04 was quite reduced when I had it in Paris, subsequent bottle in Singapore was fine. My personal purchasing rubric for such wines involves multiplying the price by 2 on the assumption that every other bottle will be bad. Of course that didn't work with the batch of Courtois (the nephew) which was variously refermenting, oxidised, bacterial and corked.

Mind you, the Baltailles doesn't taste like Gamay to me. If pressed, I'd say a blend of Pinot Noir and Syrah (like the best Burgs).
 
originally posted by Yixin: My personal purchasing rubric for such wines involves multiplying the price by 2 on the assumption that every other bottle will be bad..

And you still find them worth pursuing at that price? I'm less and less convinced of the need to pursue such wines, especially given the dependable joy I get from stuff like Foillard.
 
originally posted by Filippo Mattia Ginanni:
Hey Rashaan, how much was for the Pi from Foillard ? Saw it at the sampler for 35..

They must have variable pricing because twenty minutes ago I saw it in the Sampler for about 28.
 
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