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Joel Stewart

Joel Stewart
2006 Cantillon, Iris, Belgium - Lambic, tho apparently unique in that this is 100% barley (no wheat). That is not what is odd to me. Total unrepenting VA here is what is odd....this is light cloudy yellow pickle juice with C02. The brewer just said to him/herself: shit happens but Iris sounds better than "Shit". Interesting for it's nervyness (and wine-like bottling as well) but too simple in that single-minded nervyness to ask for more than a glass. VA was way better when I didn't think about it....

Private Weissbierbrauerei G. Schneider and Sohn, Aventinus, Weissen-doppelbock - 8.5-9%, 510ml ($6) - Cloudy yellow/brown with amber tones when held up to light. A yellow/ cream colored head swells in the glass, then dissipates. Smoke, juniper, raspberry, caramel, molasses and old world apothecary medicinal herbs on the nose. This smells more like closed ancient doors in medieval dungeons compared to the more open punchy citric and piney notes of NW micros I cut my teeth on, and that's always been my hurdle with Eurobeers. NW micro brews, with few exceptions, taste fresher to me, Eurobeers (in bottle at least) taste mustier, as if the grains were stored too long and the bottles not thoroughly washed. On the palate, the beer is gently petillant, but not lacking. Just enough to lift the flavors thru the mouth (many of which echo the nose). Dates, savory touches and raspberry (subtly so) then cloves and spice on a pleasant finish. I don't get the bananas that many seem to note however, (fine with me). Medium body, smooth, even silky. If you go for the style, this is not bad hooch. I'd certainly give it a shot from the tap, but it's not clamoring for any more text.

2007 Domain L'Ecu, Cuvee Guy Bossard, Muscadet Sevre et Maine, 12% - Clear greenish gold in the glass and a reticent Chablisienne nose hinting at limestone, lemon peel and clean beach smells. Lifted pillowy feel on the palate, but otherwise the wine is a bit tight and disjointed at first. This vintage seems anemic compared to what the 06's have become. That said, there is a licked chrome handlebar saline quality here that pulls the flavors through nicely from mid to finish. Not much else happens before or after. Day two, the nose is even more closed and the palate even more open. The chromey roundness has expanded in a good way: it's the dominant note of the wine now....and is actually impressive, given the surrounding austerity. Add to that a bit of flinty smoke and more than usual bitterness, and it still adds up to a quirky battle in a bottle. One could find elegance here if the surrounding environs were quiet enough, but let's face it.....the wine is comparatively average. I may get another to lay down and see what time will tell, but I'm glad I still own a few 06's.

1999 Chateau Vari, Monbazillac, (13%) Clear amber/orange in glass, this is mostly semillon, with small amounts of sauv. b and muscadelle. Average vine age is 40 yrs in clay/limestone soils. Annual production is ca. 8,000 bottles....etc...etc....Apricot, orange rind, toffee, smoke and botrytis on the nose. The palate shows much of the same in descending order and the delivery is quiet, seamless. This reminds me a bit of the Rutherford Glen dessert wines (Chambers Rosewood Muscat in particular) what's enjoyable about this is that similarities aside, the wine operates at a higher toned level: it ain't sticky....it's refreshing...even at 10 yrs. Also, at $17 for a 750ml, it's half the price of a Chambers. As a test to see how sweet wines would do with "ordinary" food, we paired this with homemade "pizza", via toasted nan brushed with almond and shiitake butter, then blue cheese and prosciutto broiled on top. Great match up. Pumpkin soup joined in and worked fine too. Whaddya know, dessert wines can hold their own at the dinner table.

2007 Pieropan, Soave Classico - 12%. Caveat: my first Pieropan. This seems the Italian version of a muscadet....minerally, earthy nose with some limestoney sea air notes mixed with grassy herbs. Much later a bit of floral and lemon custard. Palate is bright, dry, with subtle touches of honey and a slightly nutty note on the finish mixed in amongst a salty lemon tang. Over time, I felt there were also suggestions of chablis notes as well. Nothing wrong with the wine, though it doesn't leap across the palate with much verve. Anyone had the cru La Rocca? This and the dessert wines I'd be curious to try, but I won't buy this again.

2007 Villa Loosen, Riesling QBA.......Reisling as well holstered teenage tits.

1998 Mastroberardino, Radici Riserva, Taurasi - (13.5%) Clear beef juice red with substantial bricking in the glass. Nose of fig, plum, cherry, hints of smoke, forest and fennel. Overall the nose is riper fruit than typical "earth and leather" c/o Italy, but it doesn't exclude the latter either. Palate is sappy bright red cherry mostly, some deep red fruit tucked in underneath with a drying finish. Well structured. I wanted to really like this wine, but in the end, i just liked it. Overall, it seems a competent food matcher. Not begging for attention on it's own, but, on the other hand at $50+ substitutes abound. (Disclosure: this was served at a large gathering, amongst several wines....not my kind of appraisal tasting....notes are from a glass tasted over time.)

2006 Puzelat Romorantin, Loire (13%) slightly turbid amber color. Resin, sap, rosemary cuttings, rain smells and some savory on the nose. Very intriguing. Palate at first starts off a little gangly, with oxidised/VA pickle jar notes doing battle with electric tobacco/citric tones. Not in an especially good place....but give it some air time. Off dry in a way that somehow reminds me a bit of Verget's macon's for some reason (ie rather than a fresh fruity sweetness, it's more of a handmade candied quality). It's not German Ries RS. Because it's hard to identify or describe well, I am reminded that I really need to put together my own flow chart for understanding flavors in wine as results from various winemaking decisions (I don't know why this sweetness doesn't remind me of fresh fruit, but I recognize the profile...)

2006 Clos Tue-de-Boeuf, Vin Blanc, VDT, Loire (13.5 %, and apparently 100% chardonnay, tho the label tells nothing) - slightly cloudy gold green in the glass and what has become for me a standard Puzelat nose of leesy green grape must and perfumed soap (esp. "Cow Brand Beauty Soap"- Blue Label). Sounds awful? No, not really...fruit, flowers, soap and animal fat have something in common...somewhere. Compared to the smokey, overly oaked '05 Chablis that got opened at the same time, this was delightfully itself, different, and altogether satisfying. Well balanced fruit, lees, acidity and tannic tang, Puzelat whites continue to win me over.

2007 Rossojbleo, Nero d'Avola - well made, showing cab franc/refosko notes and bright red saline cherry notes prior to the tobacco bite on the finish. Lots of personality with that foresty nose too.

NV -(2008) Caves Da Cerca, "Ouro Verde", Vinho Verde, Portugal....Took
it to a tasting last night and again my suspicions were confirmed: This is Louie Armstrong in a bottle.
 
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
bleh, blah2006 Cantillon, Iris, Belgium - Lambic, tho apparently unique in that this is 100% barley (no wheat). That is not what is odd to me. Total unrepenting VA here is what is odd....this is light cloudy yellow pickle juice with C02. The brewer just said to him/herself: shit happens but Iris sounds better than "Shit". Interesting for it's nervyness (and wine-like bottling as well) but too simple in that single-minded nervyness to ask for more than a glass. VA was way better when I didn't think about it....

I finally a good bottle from these folks the other day. The Gueuze. It may or may not be the least distinctive of their wines but it was straight-forward and delicious and I didn't complain.
 
I'm a huge fan of Cantillon - one of the last producers to make proper lambic instead of soda-pop. If weaned on the Lindemans type of sweet, alcopops with the misleading name "Lambic" on the label, the first Cantillon will certainly be a shock to the system as it is so dry and uncompromising. Brettanomycs Bruxellensis is one of the major players in the polyphony, so yes, it's good shit. I loved it on first taste, but for most people it seems to be an acquired taste. I think their straight Gueuze and Kriek are their best products, though they do make all sorts of fruit beers - even Merlot and Chardonnay! If you find the fierce acidity too much, but dare to try it again, try some old Gouda with the Gueuze. The fat should soften it up a bit.

As to Pieropan, I try to avoid La Rocca because it has more oak influence than I am comfortable with. Their other "cru", the unoaked Calvarino is, however, a beautiful wine every year. I also like their Soave Classico, but it really isn't at all as exciting as the Calvarino.
 
When I grabbed a drink w/ David Lillie, Marc Ollivier, and SFJoe after Marc's Muscadet dinner a few months back, we went to "dba" on the Lower East Side. I had Cantillon's Rose de Gambrinus, which is a vintage Framboise. As David described it, "It's like someone made a kir with Coule de Serrant."

I do enjoy their Geueze, and drink it reasonably regularly. I've got a bottle of Iris in my fridge, though it's the '05. I've not had too many bottlings to say definitively, but I do see improvement with age.
 
tks for the comparative notes on the Cantillon...last night was a wine fest hosted by a beer freak, so a couple glasses into it, he made some interesting pulls...he was esp inspired by the puzelat chard. he'd never tasted such a white...or so he said. i can only say that i enjoy complexity..but the Cantillon was a one note wonder. now I want to try some others...thanks.
 
The Iris is hybrid beast, and it has been pretty shrill on occasion. It's spontaneous ferment lambic, but then sees a secondary dosage, gets wet-hopped in addition to the traditional dry-hopping, has another hopping prior to bottling, etc.

The Puzelat corollary is apt- Cantillon definitely belongs to a class of beers that I'd consider "alive." As such, they are quite sensitive to storage/transport conditions- Shelton Brothers (the importer) is sensitive to this, but too frequently the chain breaks down with the distributor or retailer.
 
Joel,
Pieropan has two other dry Soaves worth trying; La Rocca, a single vineyard that is raised in wood; and Calvarino, a single vineyard raised in steel.
I have tried both several times in the 2007 vintage and find them to be representative of their terroir and above average in quality.
FWIW, I often find the La Rocca too woody but not in 2007 (although it has evidence of its barrel treatment). The Calvarino in 2007 is one of the best of that cuvee I have tasted.
Best, Jim
 
I'll pile on, re: the Calvarino. I'm also iffy on La Rocca, though it gets better with age. Don't know if Muscadet is an apt comparison; there's a fruit-sweetness to garganega that I've never seen in melon.

Re: the Loosen note, I know exactly what you mean. I'm not sure how to feel about that, though.
 
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
NV -(2008) Caves Da Cerca, "Ouro Verde", Vinho Verde, Portugal....Took
it to a tasting last night and again my suspicions were confirmed: This is Louie Armstrong in a bottle.
It tastes like a dead musician?
 
Re - Cantillon notes: I'll continue to try this producer's stuff (if I can find it). I never knew so much love existed. Seth, thanks for the details.....with all that effort, it would be a shame if storage was a fault. I did not detect it being "off" as it were, but then again, I was way out of my league.

Re - Pieropan: Thor, you're right, it's not really like muscadet....obviously I don't know garganega at all, and that's as close as I could get with that bottle. I can imagine better expressions existing than that one (and both the Calvarino and La Rocca sound interesting, in their own ways). I must say though, that pricewise, even the basic soave has heavy competition.

Re - the "Loosen note"...the wine itself did not present an ethical dilemma. Freud would agree.
 
originally posted by Joel Stewart: i can only say that i enjoy complexity..but the Cantillon was a one note wonder. now I want to try some others...thanks.

The Gueuze was certainly a one-note wonder. But a nice quirky fun note.
 
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
I must say though, that pricewise, even the basic soave has heavy competition.

Joel,
If you are saying there are lots of other good whites at this price point and below, I agree. And if you mean the Pieropan Soave is pricey compared to other producer's bottom-end Soave, I also agree.

But when you do take the next step, to Calvarino or La Rocca (and those are also pricey at their respective price points), I think the competition falls away very rapidly.
Calvarino, for instance, has few peers - perhaps, Anselmi's Foscarino in a very good year.
La Rocca has slightly more direct competition; Anselmi's Croce or some of Inama's high-end stuff. (But Inama can get real oaky real fast).
Others may have favorites in this range of quality; some like Gini's better bottlings and some like the best from Pra, Ca' Rugate, Tamellini and Suavia.

But as to quality, it is very unusual that anyone produces a garganega that competes with Calvarino. In the best of vintages, I doubt they ever do.
And very few compete with La Rocca, either.

Best, Jim
 
I don't get the muscadet comparison with Soave, but so be it. Soave's show their Italian character and are softer with nuts, something I seldom get with Muscadet. The Calvarino by Pieropan really is a step above his basic bottling, and worth it.
 
Joel, can you get Boon's Geuze there? I just tried the 2006-2007 brewing season (i.e. newest, I think, as IIRC it spends two years in oak casks) of the Boon Oude Geuze l'Ancienne 100% Lambic moelleux

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It's not as hardcore a style as Cantillon's, but still is an honest Lambic. It doesn't taste sweet at all (despite the moelleux on the label), but it isn't as sharply acidic or with such Sahara-like dryness as the Cantillon. It's a friendly style of traditional Lambic. Maybe a bit too friendly - I would have preferred the uncompromising style of Cantillon today.
 
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
2006 Puzelat Romorantin, Loire (13%) slightly turbid amber color. Resin, sap, rosemary cuttings, rain smells and some savory on the nose. Very intriguing. Palate at first starts off a little gangly, with oxidised/VA pickle jar notes doing battle with electric tobacco/citric tones. Not in an especially good place....but give it some air time. Off dry in a way that somehow reminds me a bit of Verget's macon's for some reason (ie rather than a fresh fruity sweetness, it's more of a handmade candied quality).

Whut?

originally posted by SFJoe:
There wasn't much white in 2006 that I loved from the Loire. From the Puzelats, not much at all.

Whuut?

I've had this wine three times in the past two weeks (thanx Jorge and Fifi) and could not clobber you both over the head more with disagreement and disagreeability.

First, the color, times I've had it, is bright and brisk, like a clean young GV. Agree about some of the nose notes, though not so much savory as rocks-y. Electric tobacco?

It is a bit hot, but it wears it fine. Curious, actually, Joel: I agree with some of the ways you characterize it, but in your telling, it comes out a discombobulated mess, whereas for me, it is a thorny thing of beauty; "god wine," as VLM would say.

SFJoe needs to try it again. Though the overall 2006 Loire prejudice can stand.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
disagreeability.
Surely not.

I haven't had the wine in a year and a half, but chez Puzelat it showed its heat to me. I seem to recall that I thought it was my fave of their '06s, but I would have to get to my notes.

I'll wander by 10 Bells in my copious free time and check it out.
 
Drie Fonteinen Oude Gueuze is one I would wholeheartedly reccomend. Same level of aggressive dryness, without so much of VA/aggressive acidity, that Cantillon can have at times. This to me is about the best that lambic has to offer, speaking with a fair bit of experience. I put Boon in the middle of the pack when it comes to Gueuze, though it is an order of magnitude better than the sickly sweet lindemans fruit crap. Though surprisingly, lindemans cuvee renee is not horrible. Perhaps near the bottom of the gueuze pack, but leaps and bounds bettter than their kriek and its ilk.

If you've got more lambic questions please fire away.

Cheers,

Kevin
 
originally posted by Seth Hill:
The Iris is hybrid beast, and it has been pretty shrill on occasion. It's spontaneous ferment lambic, but then sees a secondary dosage, gets wet-hopped in addition to the traditional dry-hopping, has another hopping prior to bottling, etc.

The Puzelat corollary is apt- Cantillon definitely belongs to a class of beers that I'd consider "alive." As such, they are quite sensitive to storage/transport conditions- Shelton Brothers (the importer) is sensitive to this, but too frequently the chain breaks down with the distributor or retailer.

Seth is right on here, the Iris dry-hopped, with "fresh" (though not necessarily wet (as in freshly picked) hops, and as such is one of very few, if any other lambics with real hop character. Most lambics are made only with old hops so as not to create much, if any bitterness. Iris is different than the gueuze in that its carbonated (bottle-conditioned) by the addition of a little sugar (as most bottle-conditioned beers are) rather than the method that the gueuze is conditioned, which is by mixing 1 and 3 year old lambics and conditioning for a period of time. There's enough fermentables in the 1 year old lambic to carbonate the beer. Aother interesting tidbit is that a significant chunk of of cantillons aging wood is old lagering vessels from pilsner urquell.
 
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