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originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
I can't get on board with that one. I don't think I've ever had a really bad riesling.
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What? You've never had a California Riesling? There's nothing like RS and low acid to really make any grape nearly undrinkable.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
I can't get on board with that one. I don't think I've ever had a really bad riesling.
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What? You've never had a California Riesling? There's nothing like RS and low acid to really make any grape nearly undrinkable.

Mark Lipton
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Stony Hill, Trefethen, and Navarro have been pretty good across various decades. I've not had a terribly recent vintage of any of them, though.
 
i think bad rielsing may induce sugar comas and sulphurous headaches....middling riesling may inflict paper cuts, burnt popcorn poisoning and noxious diesel fumes, and the best of the best rieslings may revive one's youth and possibly perform eye surgery, but i've never met a riesling that kicked anything, much less ole blue....
 
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
Riesling may kick the dog, but it will always pet the cat. It has taste.
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Love it! and love riesling!

Tonight - 1998 Donnhoff Niederhauser Hermansholle spatlese, 1990 CFE, 1994 CSH, and 2001 Muller-Catoir Mussbacher Eselhaut auslese - all rieslings, all but the last fom my cellar, and all delicious!
 
originally posted by Lou Kessler:
Victor, you've always been the epitome of consistency. I had become convinced there was no such thing as a "bad" Spanish wine. Is there nothing we can count on in this world anymore?
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I don't know if I should say that I resent it a little to be classified as a Spanish wine bigot by you, Lou! :-) You should hear what they say in Spain, where our web site is considered "downright unpatriotic"...

Actually there's a lot of wine I'm not fond of (bland traditional Rioja, souped-up modern Rioja, Ribera oak soup, barrel-fermented-and-annihilated albario) that is probably not 'bad' in absolute terms, and lots of people like it. But there are many bad wines, period - too many, particularly in my region, Castile-La Mancha, but also all over the place. You're lucky you almost never see any of them on US shelves.

A few recent examples of truly awful Spanish wines: Carriel dels Vilars 2006 (Empord-Costa Brava), Finca Comell 2002 (Terra Alta), Valdezarza 2002 (Toro), Vallarcal Roble Tempranillo Vendimia Seleccionada 2002 (Ribera del Guadiana), Monasterio de Santa Ana Monastrell 2003 (Jumilla), Heretat Vall-Vents Sauvignon Blanc 2003 (Peneds), Miquelius 2004 (Utiel-Requena). I'd better just stop here...
 
originally posted by MLipton:
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... There's nothing like RS and low acid to really make any grape nearly undrinkable.
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Maybe.

But that succinctly is the secret of success for all the world's best selling wines.
 
I had become convinced there was no such thing as a "bad" Spanish wine.
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i guess it depends on what you mean by 'bad'? in the last few year i had come to the conclusion that most spanish wines were not worth drinking.

i should preface this by saying that i have never been to spain tasting wine, and that my opinions are formed solely by drinking and tasting in the us.

almost the entirety of the solomon portfolio typifies for me what spanish wine has become: over (new) oaked, over extracted, spoof. most spanish wines taste, to me, as if they could be from anywhere.

that is why i'm very happy for the existence of the pastor portfolio, even if joe calls me a sock puppet... ;-)
 
ok, i read a bit to quickly. rereading the post i realize, as should have been obvious, that i am preaching to the choir...
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
ok, i read a bit to quickly. rereading the post i realize, as should have been obvious, that i am preaching to the choir...
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Dougherty is the only choirboy around here.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by scottreiner:
ok, i read a bit to quickly. rereading the post i realize, as should have been obvious, that i am preaching to the choir...
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Dougherty is the only choirboy around here.
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I'll quote you to FINRA.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
Shouldn't more people be badmouthing SB before we start on riesling?
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I only like sauvignon when it tastes like riesling.
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I thought you meant me.
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Hey, now that the romance is out of the bag, the Monkey is just coming to the defense of his Internet sweetie.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by VS:
originally posted by Lou Kessler:
Victor, you've always been the epitome of consistency. I had become convinced there was no such thing as a "bad" Spanish wine. Is there nothing we can count on in this world anymore?
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I don't know if I should say that I resent it a little to be classified as a Spanish wine bigot by you, Lou! :-) You should hear what they say in Spain, where our web site is considered "downright unpatriotic"...

Actually there's a lot of wine I'm not fond of (bland traditional Rioja, souped-up modern Rioja, Ribera oak soup, barrel-fermented-and-annihilated albario) that is probably not 'bad' in absolute terms, and lots of people like it. But there are many bad wines, period - too many, particularly in my region, Castile-La Mancha, but also all over the place. You're lucky you almost never see any of them on US shelves.

A few recent examples of truly awful Spanish wines: Carriel dels Vilars 2006 (Empord-Costa Brava), Finca Comell 2002 (Terra Alta), Valdezarza 2002 (Toro), Vallarcal Roble Tempranillo Vendimia Seleccionada 2002 (Ribera del Guadiana), Monasterio de Santa Ana Monastrell 2003 (Jumilla), Heretat Vall-Vents Sauvignon Blanc 2003 (Peneds), Miquelius 2004 (Utiel-Requena). I'd better just stop here...
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That's one of the problems with the internet your voice tone and inflections cannot be heard. I was just teasing a little and I know you have a sense of humor. One of these days hopefully we'll be able to get together again, it's been a long time. I'll be in New York in October that's a little closer to Spain.
 
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