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Rahsaan

Rahsaan
For some unknown reason a bunch of us decided to get together to drink as much von Hvel riesling as we could gather. Mostly supported by Bob Semons Cellar Reduction Plan, but also the friendly assistance of Maureen Nelson, Howard Cooper, Cristian Dezso, Chris Bublitz, Ian Fitzsimmons, and myself

We started with the lone kabinett, the 1997 Oberemmeler Htte Kabinett which I actually liked quite a bit. It was brisk and brisk and brisk and maturing but still had enough ripe round juicy fruit to keep the palate entertained and I thought it was a perfect way to begin the evening. Others found it boring and it certainly was not a Star Wine. But it was a relaxing way to ease into the offerings.

Many of the other flawed palates at the table liked the 1994 Oberemmeler Htte Sptlese very much. There was some debate over whether this was a Gold Capsule, because it literally had a gold capsule and it tasted like a lot of botrytis. For my palate, that botrytis was tinned and dirty and un-noble, but others seemed to find more creamy pleasure. Youll have to ask them why.

There was also some juicy easy roundness to the 1997 Scharzhofberger Sptlese but with the slatey underpinnings that made it fun to drink mindlessly, although once other bottles were opened I found it a bit simple.

There was more debate over whether the gold capsule on the 1995 Oberemmeler Htte Sptlese meant that it too was a Gold Capsule wine. We never really solved that debate but we did all agree that the dirty spritzy botrytis was not pleasant to drink. There was some discussion about whether the spritz was evidence of a bad bottle but even once that calmed down it was just not very good.

The most atypical wine of the night was the tropical rich 1999 Oberemmeler Htte Sptlese. Some thought this was too exuberant for the Saar but I disagreed. It was opulent and creamy in comparison to everything else but it still had a fresh light underbelly and the directness of the Saar was evident. I thought it was fun, although obviously a unique beast.

For my tastes, the 2001 Scharzhofberger Sptlese and the 2001 Oberemmeler Htte Sptlese were probably two of the wines that showed the best. They were both ripe, firm, lively, and regal, a full-package combination that made me happy. Naturally the overall consensus was that von Hvels Htte wines are generally better than the Scharzhofbergers. But Howard made the intelligent point that in a special year like 2001 when Scharzhofberger gets the ripeness and acidity that are necessary for great wines, the profundity of the terroir is evident. And I can sort of see that. The 01 Htte Sptlese was tons of fun because it was just so lively, tingly, and fresh, yet deep. But the Scharzhofberger was no slouch either and showed plenty of fresh acidity yet with that extra layer of firm complexity. Why choose? Drink them both, as we did

But we were also moving on to the 1997 Oberemmeler Htte Auslese which was fresh lively and fun. So easy to drink and such a salty sunny package that married well with my Alaskan Halibut. To my palate it tended simple as did the other 97s, but would have provided lots of pleasure if I drank it alone with a casual meal.

The 1994 Scharzhofberger Auslese was wrong and bad and flawed and not drinkable. But we had other wine

The 2001 Scharzhofberger Auslese and the 2001 Oberemmeler Htte Auslese were difficult to drink at first. Firm and hard and tight and closed in comparison to the 2001 Sptleses but to my palate these opened up and were fun to drink with just a bit of air. They both showed their respective terroirs, to the extent that the Scharzhofberger was firm and curranty and the Htte was salty and fresh. All with a bit more reserve than the Sptleses but with such firm focused regal precision, as well as plenty of flesh, that I was enjoying myself and kept going for re-pours.

But we were onto dessert/cheese and the 1990 Oberemmeler Htte Auslese sparked talks of that other special focused vintage. This was a very nice bottle that was golden and maturing and taking on the firm tactile sensations of age. But still with plenty of salty liveliness to cleanse the palate in-between sips. We were getting a bit tipsy at this point but there was some discussion over whether this could get any better or was peaking. I dont know the answer to that but it was obviously a unique pleasure compared to the other wines on the table.

Unfortunately, we were waiting for an elevated experience with the 1990 Oberemmeler Htte Auslese GK but it was CORKED!

So we had to console ourselves with the 2003 Oberemmeler Htte Eisewein, which was not too bad. Plenty of tropical fun and creamy richness, perhaps not as much acidity as other Eiswein years (but how did they even get this much in 2003?) but none of us complained and this went very well with my bites of the carmelized onions and cheese. Plus the glass that I finished by itself. It was easy fun.

In the end, I was most excited by the 2001s and the 1997s for an easier version of fun. But it was also nice to have everything lined up with good cheer and good debate. Until the next time!
 
Rhasaan -- I believe that in the past (i.e., ca. 1994), VDP did not allow gold cap Sptlese (at least, that's what Bill Mayer told me a long time ago). It seems that has changed, but I'm not sure when it changed.

If you provide me AP numbers, I can go back and possibly give you more info on some of the wines, based on my reviews. I already know, via Maureen, the AP Nr of the 1994 OH Sptlese; there also was an auction OH Sptlese which, it appears, was not the one that you had (who knows, if they can mix up wine in Spain, why not in Germany? ;) ), but which was more gold cap in style -- heavily botrytised and effectively an Auslese.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm: If you provide me AP numbers, I can go back and possibly give you more info on some of the wines, based on my reviews. I already know, via Maureen, the AP Nr of the 1994 OH Sptlese...

Both the 94 and 95 OH Sptleses with gold capsules were AP Nr. 6.

In my posting I might have been a bit harsh on the 95 because when I came to it later it had settled down and firmed up and bit and I'm not sure it was as terrible as others thought. But to my tastes both the 94 and 95 had the 'dirty' botrytis tin notes.
 
I don't know when Rahsaan decided he wants to be as wrong as Kane as he's quite wrong about the 94 - it was terrific and he was the only one who didn't like it - I never went back to the 95 because it was bad at first and there was so much wine to be had. The 99 was very delicious too albeit quite a bit more tropical as Rahsaan noted. For the most part, my reaction to the wines aligns with Rahsaan's except for his inexplicable reaction to the 94.
 
originally posted by maureen:
I don't know when Rahsaan decided he wants to be as wrong as Kane as he's quite wrong about the 94 - it was terrific and he was the only one who didn't like it...

Over on WLDG, Dale Williams mentioned that his recent bottle showed differently from ours. (His note: The dinner wine was the 1994 von Hovel Oberemmeler Hutte Spatlese. Clean and young, only the faintest hint of petrol. Good acidity, peaches and tropical fruits, some slate and saline on finish. Very good. B+).

Doesn't really sound like what we had. Especially the parts about 'clean' and 'young'. But I would rather have had his bottle!

Not that I was complaining about a lack of good wine to drink last night...
 
Good notes, Rahsaan, thank you, and more much eloquent than mine, which read a bit utility by comparison. I didn't notice botrytis in the '94, dirty or clean; thought it was mature, well-integrated, high-quality spaetlese. I also agree that the 99 OH and two 01 SLs showed best, with the Scharzhofberger less expressive but with a nice crescendo effect. 99 was a warm year, low acid in the Mosel, but well-balanced in the Saar-Ruwer (generally speaking, of course), so the heft of the 99 was not so surprising. It was delightful from the first sniff.

The 01 ALs were hard to gage, but promised good things. I wanted to try them again as we were packing up, but was afraid I'd barf if I drank any more sugar.

I've heard that VH's OH holdings are better than his Scharzhofberg ones, and, in general it seemed to me that the OH bottlings were more minerally, and therefore more complex and attention-grabbing.

Many thanks to you for organizing, to Bob for graciously supplying so many of the wines, and to the rest of the company for their bottles and conversation.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons: The 01 ALs were hard to gage, but promised good things. I wanted to try them again as we were packing up, but was afraid I'd barf if I drank any more sugar..

As mentioned above, I thought the 01 Ausleses were showing better and better with air and I got good pleasure from them that night.

The 01 Scharzhofberger Auslese didn't hold up so well (in my view) to 24 hours of air and seemed a bit soft the next day. (Although it was still perfectly delicious and fine to serve for casual consumption. Just without the same zip and precision).

What did you take home?
 
Claude, I think I told you via email that night that both the 94 and the 95 spatlesen had gold capsules and an AP number of 6.

I took home the OH ausles 01 but haven't gotten around to trying it.
 
I took the Scharhofberger 97 SL and AL. Following day, the SL was pooped, the AL offered modest pleasure.

Slightly off-topic, last night we opened the Hohe Domkirche Scharzhofberger AL I brought to Dino's as a backup bottle, and it drank very nicely with lightly curried garbonzo-tomato stew over rice. Medium weight, sugar very nicely integrated, that clear, stony sensation a nice, slatey MSR can give you. Quite pretty. Acids muted, however; if it doesn't continue to develop today, I'd say to start drinking 'em up.
 
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