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TN - '01 Barthod Chambolle-Musigny Les Cras
- Thread starter Kevin Harvey
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Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
I agree. But it was at first maligned. Where were you in 2002/3/4?!
Admittedly, I don't get any wine rags, but have read Burghound, and while he is too enthusiastic about 2002, he said very nice things about the 2001s as well. Every serious Burgundy drinker I know is of the same opinion and most prefer 2001 to 2002.
Ahhh...2002-2004. Last couple years of grad school on a NIH pre-doc fellowship. Good times...
Ahhh...2002-2004. Last couple years of grad school on a NIH pre-doc fellowship. Good times...
Keith Levenberg
Keith Levenberg
Well, I'll malign it, a little. When the '01s came out and everyone was praising them for their transparency, I had a hard time seeing it. Many just seemed vacant and dreary to me. This was, unfortunately, because I wasn't spending enough $$$. '01 is more successful the further up the hierarchy you go. (Not in the sense, of course, in which a grand cru is almost always better than a village wine, but in the sense that '01 grand crus come closer to their ideal forms than '01 village wines come to theirs.) Now I have had enough great '01s to understand the initial enthusiasm better, but if I'm going to be throwing a dart at a vintage, '99 and '05 and to a lesser extent '02 are much bigger dartboards with much bigger bullseyes.
For 20 years from now? Not to hype the fatboy orthodoxy, but don't you find '05s closing down tight?originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
dartboards
I checked the list, and I have roughly twice as many '01s as '02s in the cellar. '99s in between. Not that I'm comprehensive, but that was the way I felt about the wines and vintages.
I bought few '05s, I couldn't get over the sticker shock.
originally posted by SFJoe:
For 20 years from now? Not to hype the fatboy orthodoxy, but don't you find '05s closing down tight?originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
dartboards
Yes, closing down tight. fatboy scared me enough with his '05 pronouncements that I quit buying '05s this spring, although given prices that wasn't that hard to do.
A number of wine stores closed out '01s based on pronouncements by less Burg-knowledgeable critics about how people should avoid '01s. it was a great buying opportunity, especially given that the dollar hadn't yet plumeted.
You're thinking of 1997.originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
In any case, 2000 is the real whipping boy for red Burgundy. Blech.
originally posted by SFJoe:
You're thinking of 1997.originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
In any case, 2000 is the real whipping boy for red Burgundy. Blech.
Yeah, there were a decent number of good early drinkers among the '00s. The '97s, there's some "blech" for you.....
I'm still sitting on some 2000 GCs. I suppose I should start trying a few.originally posted by Bwood:
originally posted by SFJoe:
You're thinking of 1997.originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
In any case, 2000 is the real whipping boy for red Burgundy. Blech.
Yeah, there were a decent number of good early drinkers among the '00s. The '97s, there's some "blech" for you.....
Kevin Harvey
Kevin Harvey
FWIW, I would call '01 vs '02 a draw in red Burgs. I love the Cote de Beaune and in this region '02 is clearly better though not at the level of '99 or '05. In the Cote de Nuits, the '02s have a bit more stuffing than the '01s but some '02s are too ripe. Meanwhile the '01s are gorgeous middleweights with tons of early appeal and great transparency of terroir.
So, in the end I love them both.
So, in the end I love them both.
The Latin Liquidator
Manuel Camblor
In the meantime, best to enjoy the lovely 2000s from Mme. Barthod. Just something like a week and a half ago, between hurricanes, while it was raining cats and dogs here in the Caribbean, I enjoyed a sanity-restoring bottle of 2000 :plain" Chambolle that was just delicious.
I mean, one must entertain oneself...
M.
I mean, one must entertain oneself...
M.
originally posted by mlawton:
2000 Mugnier Musigny is plain delicious. Nothing wrong with that wine at all, and I'm very glad to have been able to taste several bottles at sane prices due to the vintage "rep".
Thank you so much for not calling it the "Moose."
I actually had several bottles of Musigny from 2000, but when I found out that even with the 2000 vintage a half case of "Moose" might pay for round-trip airfare to Paris, I had to trade them in.
originally posted by mlawton:
Well, there is that - but have you priced airfare to Europe recently? I have never paid more than $500RT, but if I don't drop that rule, I won't be going anytime soon.
The worst part isn't the airfare, it's that people think you're paying with third-world currency.
In retrospect, cashing in my Mooses for dollars may have been one of my worst investment decisions ever.
originally posted by mlawton:
2000 Mugnier Musigny is plain delicious. Nothing wrong with that wine at all, and I'm very glad to have been able to taste several bottles at sane prices due to the vintage "rep".
Delicious it is. But I may have preferred the Rousseau Beze when I drank them side by side (and I brought the Musigny) - and in fact Truchot's Charmes acquited itself well in such lofty company.
Also had H-N RSV 2000 on Friday night - a bit reduced at first but very good after plenty of air.
Hmmm. I have each of those except the Truchot (this is how you spot Maureen as the more serious Burgundian, or maybe she's just a long time Claude sock puppet).originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by mlawton:
2000 Mugnier Musigny is plain delicious. Nothing wrong with that wine at all, and I'm very glad to have been able to taste several bottles at sane prices due to the vintage "rep".
Delicious it is. But I may have preferred the Rousseau Beze when I drank them side by side (and I brought the Musigny) - and in fact Truchot's Charmes acquited itself well in such lofty company.
Also had H-N RSV 2000 on Friday night - a bit reduced at first but very good after plenty of air.
I was thinking it was a little early for either Musigny or RSV, even from a forward vintage. But maybe I'll just have to suck it up and pull corks.