Florida Jim
Florida Jim
I can tell you just how to do that - long distance.
Best, Jim
Negative criticism
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I can tell you just how to do that - long distance.
Best, Jim
Brian Loring
Brian Loring
I never get upset with anyone saying the don't like wine we make. We all have our own palate preferences. When it gets annoying is when someone doesn't differentiate between bad (flawed, poorly made wine) and a wine that they don't like (most likely style wise). Ultimately, it's always about HOW they say it.
Florida Jim
Florida Jim
Brian,
I may have said this before but it bears repeating; you once did me a great service by responding to some of my remarks about your wines with the comment, "I make wines I like."
From that one simple truth flows a tolerance for other's preferences and the confidence to continue with your own.
Thanks, Jim
I may have said this before but it bears repeating; you once did me a great service by responding to some of my remarks about your wines with the comment, "I make wines I like."
From that one simple truth flows a tolerance for other's preferences and the confidence to continue with your own.
Thanks, Jim
Yea, sure, I think any wine lover has inevitably been placed in that position.
My responses have been all over the board. Sometimes I'm polite. Sometimes I dissemble. Sometimes I even tell the person what they want to hear (but not usually). Sometimes I give honest constructive (or what I think are constructive) comments about wines and styles. Depends on the wine, the winemaker, the moment, and what I'm looking to convey.
I'll raise the ante just a bit: as one whose opinions are sometimes sought out, simply because of the situation I was in, not necessarily because it was me, mind you, I've been put on the spot more than once, where I was called on publicly, by a friend or friendly winemaker to make a comment or criticism or judgement, and had to come out negative.
I'm sure others have the same type of story.
When I'm standing around at a wine party, or at the guy's house, I won't go out of my way to diss his wines; neither will I effuse over them. But when I'm placed on a panel and asked to speak as a functionary (in this particular case a major wine buyer and competition judge) and then specifically asked by said winemaker to delineate the decision process I would go through if considering his wine for purchase....well, that's a different matter.
We never had quite the same relationship afterwards.
My responses have been all over the board. Sometimes I'm polite. Sometimes I dissemble. Sometimes I even tell the person what they want to hear (but not usually). Sometimes I give honest constructive (or what I think are constructive) comments about wines and styles. Depends on the wine, the winemaker, the moment, and what I'm looking to convey.
I'll raise the ante just a bit: as one whose opinions are sometimes sought out, simply because of the situation I was in, not necessarily because it was me, mind you, I've been put on the spot more than once, where I was called on publicly, by a friend or friendly winemaker to make a comment or criticism or judgement, and had to come out negative.
I'm sure others have the same type of story.
When I'm standing around at a wine party, or at the guy's house, I won't go out of my way to diss his wines; neither will I effuse over them. But when I'm placed on a panel and asked to speak as a functionary (in this particular case a major wine buyer and competition judge) and then specifically asked by said winemaker to delineate the decision process I would go through if considering his wine for purchase....well, that's a different matter.
We never had quite the same relationship afterwards.
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Depends on what's in the dictator's glass.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
So, if I'm keeping track, it's best to be evasive.
Well, then, yesterday I didn't taste anything at all.
That said, I am excited to have gone from oaked Saint-Joseph apologist to hipster blogger in just a few months! You can, too!
P.S. 2004 Rouge-Gorge sucks in so many ways one doesn't even want to delve.
Well, then, yesterday I didn't taste anything at all.
That said, I am excited to have gone from oaked Saint-Joseph apologist to hipster blogger in just a few months! You can, too!
P.S. 2004 Rouge-Gorge sucks in so many ways one doesn't even want to delve.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
My brother-in-law opened a bottle of wine, from his rack, and asked for my honest opinion. It was a blah Delas Freres St-Joseph from a blah year. I told him it was blah. For my efforts, I was regaled at great length, and with no little vituperation, about the virtues of the people who gifted him that bottle.
Which is to say, I agree with you thatevasion diplomacy is almost certainly the way to go.
Which is to say, I agree with you that
Paul Jaouen
Paul Jaouen
I think I said something to that effect when I met you and tasted your wines. You were a pleasure to meet but the wines just weren't for me. All about style as there was nothing wrong with the wines.
Florida Jim
Florida Jim
And this is supposed to motivate that.
Dickhead!
Best, Jim
I haven't tried that one, but did like the wacky 2005 version, even with the 15+ abv.
Without delving too much, and knowing about the '04 vintage, was it too herby or medicinal or something?
Have you ever tried the Rose, Giroflees? Maybe my favorite from Nicolas, even though I like the whites a lot.
Negative criticism, yes, agreed.
I don't even like writing negative tasting notes.
Sometimes its like who the fuck am I to criticize what someone has put so much work and time into.
In person? Sure, of course, though I've tried various ways to overcome the persistent curse of euphemasia in such situations, and when it comes right down to it there's no real way to put lipstick on a pig avoid telling the truth if they press hard enough.
In print (loose definition of "print")...I can't think of a time, no. The only time I remember holding back comments on wines had nothing to do with warm and welcoming generosity on the part of the winemaker; rather the opposite, in fact. That was on the WLDG, though, and in fact I wouldn't have held back for paid print...though in fact that non-reluctance was the very thing that incensed the winemaker in the first place.
In print (loose definition of "print")...I can't think of a time, no. The only time I remember holding back comments on wines had nothing to do with warm and welcoming generosity on the part of the winemaker; rather the opposite, in fact. That was on the WLDG, though, and in fact I wouldn't have held back for paid print...though in fact that non-reluctance was the very thing that incensed the winemaker in the first place.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Tonight: silence.
(13.5% abv, syrah and grenache and mourvedre and carignan and shrug and what-the-hell and well, at least it's the second-to-last bottle.)
(13.5% abv, syrah and grenache and mourvedre and carignan and shrug and what-the-hell and well, at least it's the second-to-last bottle.)
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Jeanne and I drove down the Mosel about seven years ago and dropped in unannounced and unscheduled on the estimable Willi Haag, who met us at the door in person and took us straight back to his tasting room. This was late in the fall and he had sold most of his then-current vintage (1999), though he let me take a mixed case of half bottles. I told him I wanted to learn about the flavors of mature riesling, and he brought up a bottle of something from the 50s that had been open for a while and, on tasting, was clearly over the hill. I ooh'd over it, though talking about the petrol and how interestingly the flavors had developed. In the face of the man's geniality and cordiality (Ernie Loosen, by contrast, snubbed me [as I probably deserved]), I could only say good things. He even slipped me a half of GK Auslese on the way out as a freebie. Quel homme.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
I suppose Bueker or Yixin would be the ones to ask about this, but I have always had the sense that the Fritz Haag label (Willi's) has been a kind of insider premium MSR - especially the Braunenberg Sonnenuhr wines - never as popular as, say, Loosen was and Prum (seemingly) and Selbach-Oster have become. I'm speaking only of relative popularity, by the way, relative quality. Willi's son at Schloss Lieser has been making his own mark in recent years.
FWIW, Jeanne and I have begun opening the 99 spaet - and auslese halves we picked up at the domaine, and they are very fine.
FWIW, Jeanne and I have begun opening the 99 spaet - and auslese halves we picked up at the domaine, and they are very fine.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Now I'm lost. Willi (Fritz's son, I thought) was running FH when we were there. At least, it was he who welcomed us with such warmth.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
T'anks.