All you need is Buffy the Vampire Slayer

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by VLM:
Sharon, what vintage was it?
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Two nights ago, 2004 Chaillot.

originally posted by Larry Stein:
Sharon, what don't you get about Verset? Have you had '85 or '88? (or '90 or '91, for that matter).
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I just found the couple of examples I've had to be on the boring-ish side of the spectrum.

Not have had any of those vintages, though. Only mid-'90s ones.
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Hmm, 1995? I've found that wine to be breathtaking.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
I take back the prior disavowal.

I've had 1996, 1997 (x2), and 1990.

VLM, not '95.
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1996 and 1997 were both troubled wines at Verset, IMO.

Some folks really like the 1990, but I don't think it can hold a candle to the 1991.

I'll save a 1995 for when you and the twins come to visit.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Aww, that's so sweet. I'm sure they'll love it, too. Gotta get 'em started early.
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Quote from our 4-y.o. in response to our explanation of why we couldn't go into a bar to listen to a live band play: "But I like alcohol!" We were glad no one from Child Protective Services was in earshot.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by VLM:

1996 and 1997 were both troubled wines at Verset, IMO.

Some folks really like the 1990, but I don't think it can hold a candle to the 1991.
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Agree on each count. Although I still enjoy the '96 and '97.

I'll save a 1995 for when you and the twins come to visit.
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vlm's stash of '95 Verset is worth travelling for. If you don't like the '95 then you lack good taste probably won't be a Verset fan.
 
Well, I wouldn't say that all I need is Allemand.

When it comes right down to it I don't even really need Allemand. I could get by with rice and water. But my life is certainly enriched by the wines.

I still remember the first time I tried one (thank you nathan!). A certain BSWI commented "why can't everyone make wine like that?"

I used to say that Allemand was my favorite Cornas just edging out Verset. Then I reversed the positions. Now I just say they are both beautiful albeit different interpretations and I feel no need to name a favorite between them.
 
What definition of "soul" are we going by here?

If we're talking Motown-type soul, I don't think any wine qualifies because they're all made by white people and none of them make people want to dance, but it's true that Allemand is more like Tim Meadows' "Ladies Man" in personality than Verset, which is more Leonard Cohen "Ladies Man."

There is also the Biblical definition of soul (an eternal life that temporarily resides and reveals itself in a mortal vessel and then departs for a higher, or lower, place) and the Buffy the Vampire Slayer definition of soul (some incorporeal source of one's moral conscience that can be dispossessed of the body without any apparent diminution in personality), but I have no nominations there.

If "soul" just means a singular personality, the answer is Verset.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
SoulWhat definition of "soul" are we going by here?

If we're talking Motown-type soul, I don't think any wine qualifies because they're all made by white people and none of them make people want to dance, but it's true that Allemand is more like Tim Meadows' "Ladies Man" in personality than Verset, which is more Leonard Cohen "Ladies Man."

There is also the Biblical definition of soul (an eternal life that temporarily resides and reveals itself in a mortal vessel and then departs for a higher, or lower, place) and the Buffy the Vampire Slayer definition of soul (some incorporeal source of one's moral conscience that can be dispossessed of the body without any apparent diminution in personality), but I have no nominations there.

If "soul" just means a singular personality, the answer is Verset.
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Actually all these definitions are versions of the same, the inner essence of a being that makes it what it is. They just define that essence variably as music, as spirit or, in Buffy's case, with a surprising Kantianism, as moral agency. I would deny by the way that in Buffy one's personality doesn't change depending on one's state of ensoulment.

I'm a Verset guy too but I don't have that much experience with Allemand.
 
Hey, finally a topic I know something about.

FWIW, Buffy (and Angel, which is essential to understanding the Whedonesque concept of the soul) was pretty clear in attempting to separate the essential personality -- which was, for example, supposed to be the same from Liam to Angelus to Angel, or William to Spike to ensouled Spike -- from the application of that personality. In other words, pathetic William reading poetry to Spike killing slayers to Spike falling in love with Buffy...all the same personality, just put to good, evil, or ambiguous ends. Evidence for this abounds, going back quite a ways. For example:

BUFFY
Just remember, a vampire's personality has nothing to do with the person it was.

ANGEL
Well, actually -- (off Buffy's glare) -- that's a good point.

("Doppelgngland")

ANGEL
It's not the demon in me that needs killing, Buffy. It's the man.

("Amends")

...and all the way to the end (Spike's choice of "world's about to end" activities in the final Angel episode).

Of course, whether or not they achieved this intent in the actual drama is a very different question. And I don't know if Angelus preferred Allemand or Verset, but I understand Drusilla was a big Bea fan, though she thought the wines were a little conventional, and also that the trombones falling from the sky were too bright.
 
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