Burgundy vintages this decade??

Note the upper-case L. Joe's sentiments seemed to be roughly in line with Kermit's in the inestimable "Adventures On the Wine Route"

By the way, for the benefit those of us interested in improving ourselves, any suggestions of decent, but moderately-priced 2000s to drink now for learning purposes?
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Good for what?

It's a silly question, really. Plenty of famous wines are useless today. Plenty of unsung wines are great today from "lesser" vintages. What's for dinner?

The abstract ranking of the entire region by whole years is of only the most limited utility, unless you're a total newb faced with an utterly unknown list.

And then said newb buys the big '05 and wonders why it only says, "talk to the hand."

Good for what? That's the question.
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This goes back to an argument I had with doghead (and probably everyone else) years ago.

It is useful insomuch as you are interested in a certain level of explanation (generalization). Everything is a generalization of some sort, we're just haggling over level.

You can drill down into detail about particular wines from particular producers in a particular vintage; however, information on producer and vintage can be useful. And if you don't know anything about a producer, then vintage generalizations can be useful.
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The abstract ranking of the entire region by whole years is of only the most limited utility, unless you're a total newb faced with an utterly unknown list.
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The level of abstraction is one thing, but there is also a hierarchical impulse here that reinforces the abstraction and reifies it as well. You could almost imagine that you were talking sense.
 
Hey, Pete... What are the best mens' shoes of the past decade? I would guess you've been wearing some, on and off, maybe even tried a few different ones. Do you think the ones from Milan are better than the ones from London?

And how do they compare to shoes from Tokyo in the late 1970's?
 
MarkS--thanks for the laugh.

Who said (about Burgundy): "The worse the vintage, the longer you have to wait"?

SFJoe--with any luck many of those big'05s are going to hit the aftermarket at a decent price as patience wears thin.
 
originally posted by Dan Donahue:
MarkS--thanks for the laugh.

Who said (about Burgundy): "The worse the vintage, the longer you have to wait"?

SFJoe--with any luck many of those big'05s are going to hit the aftermarket at a decent price as patience wears thin.
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I've certainly been the beneficiary of that same impulse concerning the '88s. Lots of tremendous wine's been hitting the secondary market for less than current prices and without a whole lot of bidding competition. I doubt that I'll ever have as many GC Burgs from any other vintage.

Mark Lipton
 
Among the red Burgundies, the '05 vintage is clearly superior in my mind, followed by '02 and '03.

bad, good, really bad
 
Agrred, I've had some very nice '88s recently. Slightly off-topic: I keep waiting for the price on the whites to nose dive because of the premox issue, but the deals seem few and far between. Not that I've bought many.
 
if i'm buying, 01.

if you are buying, 93. and i'll lie about my age; you can too if you like.

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originally posted by fatboy:
if i'm buying, 01.

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Same here. Well, for some parts of Burgundy.

I've read from credible sources that there are many good '03 red Burgundy wines (that will just need time), but I haven't had any I enjoyed yet. And they are expensive.

Wait, where is the fb diatribe about how many bottles of '05 will be poured down the drain by people expecting greatness and arriving two decades too early?
 
originally posted by SFJoe:

The level of abstraction is one thing, but there is also a hierarchical impulse here that reinforces the abstraction and reifies it as well. You could almost imagine that you were talking sense.
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"Reifies." Wow. I mean, wow. There is a blast from the past.

I'd really like to thank SFJoe for using a word launches me backward into the nostalgic dreamy, golden undergrad day mists, talking about Historical Materialism, or Dialectical Materialism or the Hegelian Dialectic, before stopping off for a game or two of foosball in the basement of the cafeteria, maybe catching a film from the French New Wave, and then heading back to the dorm room for more conversation and then maybe finally settling into doing some assigned reading so you can be prepared for class the next day. So you can go to professional school and then one day engage in some Ordinary Materialism, so that you can afford to buy some Allemand when you get old.

Thanks Joe!
 
There are new Criterion offerings of some of those French New Wave films, should you desire to take one step further into the dialectic.

Big excitement about the audio commentary on 2 or 3 Things I Know About Her over on the Godard message list I'm on.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
There are new Criterion offerings of some of those French New Wave films, should you desire to take one step further into the dialectic.

Big excitement about the audio commentary on 2 or 3 Things I Know About Her over on the Godard message list I'm on.
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Not to mention last weeks Criterion release of Last Days of Disco.
 
originally posted by fatboy:
if i'm buying, 01.

if you are buying, 93. and i'll lie about my age; you can too if you like.

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I had a 2001 Chevillon Les St. Georges on Friday night at Rue Cler (awesome meal, new chef kicking ass) that was spectacular. Yes, young, but once it opened up, just waves of flavor. Great wine. Wow.

We also had a 2006 Baudry Croix Boise blanc that was even better. Achingly beautiful bottle of wine. This wine has beautified so dramatically since landing that I am left astonished.

I've said this before, but I think it may bear repeating, this could end up being one of the great white wines of the world. I think the potential is that strong once the vines age and Matthieu gets more experience.
 
Interesting regarding the Baudry blanc. When I tried it 6 months ago it seemed good, but not achingly so. I will have to find another one soon.
 
originally posted by Marc D:
Interesting regarding the Baudry blanc. When I tried it 6 months ago it seemed good, but not achingly so. I will have to find another one soon.
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I hope your experience is as good as mine.

The bottle I had before this was very very good, but the bottle Friday was on a whole different level.

FWIW, it started out cold and warmed in the glass.
 
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