Four wines

Florida Jim

Florida Jim
1999 Jasmin, Cte-Rtie:
Make no mistake this is terrific syrah; but, at the moment, there is little terroir here and not a lot of aromatic complexity; with air, it does open and gains nuance to the point that I think this is just a short while away from being at one of its drinking stages. I sense this is moving away from the feminine character of its first ten years of life, to a more masculine incarnation now and in the future. If you drink it now, decant.

2008 Giacosa, Roero Arneis:
The aromatics need some time open to come into full flower; apple, resin and mineral in the mouth with a softening that happens with airing but not to the point of losing the bright acidity this wine carries from start to finish. Maybe needs a year in the cellar; and when is the last time one could say that about an arneis?

2007 Ridge, Carignane Buchignani Ranch:
As is usual with Ridge, the label has a lengthy description of the levage which includes the following: It aged for twelve months in air-dried American oak (10% new, 20% one and two years old, 70% three and four years old.
If that is true, this is under-fruited. All I could smell or taste was wood; overwhelming wood. I detected some nice textures at mid-palate and a hint of fruit, but even that dried out on the finish.
While I enjoy the label recitations, this barrel program didnt work. Not in the least bit, enjoyable.

1997 Jaboulet, Hermitage La Chapelle:
A nose of game, cheese, fresh meat and truffles, some black and red fruit, and a sauvage element all together, very enticing; lives up to the nose in the mouth with a worsted texture, flavors that expand upon the elements of the nose, almost hidden tannin and a balanced, long and detailed finish. Showing very well right now and all that Hermitage should be. IMO, the last vintage this house got it right.
(Aside: on release I bought several cases of this wine and have drunk through most of the 750s over the years. I still have the magnums left, but I have yet to have a single bottle that did not impress; whether as a young, strapping illustration of syrah or now, as fine example of aged Hermitage. I have heard others say different but, not having a single disappointment, I feel myself very lucky.)

Best, Jim
 
I've had all those wines bar the Ridge in the last year, and our impressions are quite different!

The Giacosa in a Hong Kong wine bar 2 weeks ago was ready to go - terrrific with a burrata salad (okay, burrata and EVOO plus some leaves). I've never thought of Jasmin as being particularly feminine (which for me is a combination of aromatics and silky texture), and the previous bottles were pretty open as well, and still primary. And have never liked the '97 La Chapelle.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Four wines

1997 Jaboulet, Hermitage La Chapelle:
A nose of game, cheese, fresh meat and truffles, some black and red fruit, and a sauvage element all together, very enticing; lives up to the nose in the mouth with a worsted texture, flavors that expand upon the elements of the nose, almost hidden tannin and a balanced, long and detailed finish. Showing very well right now and all that Hermitage should be. IMO, the last vintage this house got it right.
(Aside: on release I bought several cases of this wine and have drunk through most of the 750s over the years. I still have the magnums left, but I have yet to have a single bottle that did not impress; whether as a young, strapping illustration of syrah or now, as fine example of aged Hermitage. I have heard others say different but, not having a single disappointment, I feel myself very lucky.)

Best, Jim
The problem is that there are (or at least were before the sale of Jaboulet) vastly differing bottlings from almost every vintage. This variability includes such heralded vintages as 1990 (where I have had more than my share of [very] disappointing La Chapelles and only an occasional great one). OTOH, I've had very fine bottles of the much-cursed 1998 and 1999 La Chapelle. If I wanted to gamble, I'd have gone to Monaco, but with Jaboulet from the 1980s and 1990s, that's what you have to accept.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Four wines
1999 Jasmin, Cte-Rtie:
Make no mistake this is terrific syrah; but, at the moment, there is little terroir here and not a lot of aromatic complexity; with air, it does open and gains nuance to the point that I think this is just a short while away from being at one of its drinking stages. I sense this is moving away from the feminine character of its first ten years of life, to a more masculine incarnation now and in the future. If you drink it now, decant.

I had a bottle of this in SF back in '05, my notes of which have perished with Therapy. I recall the wine as young but not particularly perfumed, more akin to my Platonic ideal of Hermitage than Cote-Rotie. So, to the extent that one can translate such verbiage to masculine/ferminine, I think that I fall in Yixin's camp on this.

Mark Lipton
 
i realize this sounds strange , but....
i have drunk the arneis in piedmont and in the states, and I would never think they are the same wine. i taste pears in Italy, but not stateside. and it is unmistakeable difference to me.
 
I've never thought of Jasmin as being particularly feminine (which for me is a combination of aromatics and silky texture)...

Honestly? I've always thought of Jasmin as one of the most 'feminine' syrah makers out there: silk and flowers and fragrance to the heart's content.

Who would you say is more feminine then?
 
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