what's up with cedric bouchard?

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originally posted by SFJoe:
It's not just the '21.

Had '53 Le Mont demi-sec over the weekend, quite tasty. But they didn't make it.
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So basically, they have back vintages from all the vineyards they purchased and sell them as huet.
My problem with that is that i have no idea how the wines were made by the previous owner...
 
For what it's worth (as much as anything else in a philosophical argument over wine - not much at all) I don't care for Selosse (the wines or the prices) & so the comparison is useless to me, especially since I actually like the Bouchard wines.
 
originally posted by guilhaume:
My problem with that is that i have no idea how the wines were made by the previous owner...
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Woah, channeling the Nazi party.

If the wine is good, why should we care how it got there, esp. over 50 years later, if it's still good? Is it going to fall apart tomorrow?

Are you a vegan? Do you admit wines fined by egg whites?
 
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
For what it's worth (as much as anything else in a philosophical argument over wine - not much at all) I don't care for Selosse (the wines or the prices) & so the comparison is useless to me, especially since I actually like the Bouchard wines.
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Don't worry, the comparison was nonsensical.
 
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
For what it's worth (as much as anything else in a philosophical argument over wine - not much at all) I don't care for Selosse (the wines or the prices) & so the comparison is useless to me, especially since I actually like the Bouchard wines.
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Personally I like Selosse and Bouchard (the wines, not the prices). Can't stand Krug though. Never understood the fuss people make over it.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
For what it's worth (as much as anything else in a philosophical argument over wine - not much at all) I don't care for Selosse (the wines or the prices) & so the comparison is useless to me, especially since I actually like the Bouchard wines.
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Personally I like Selosse and Bouchard (the wines, not the prices). Can't stand Krug though. Never understood the fuss people make over it.
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i don't enjoy krug either, but at least, you know they make the wines in their cellar.
 
originally posted by Howard Cooper:
I really like the Roses de Jeanne and plan to keep buying this wine. I have been drinking it for about 3 years now.
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Me too (though I have been buying it for a shorter time).
 
originally posted by Howard Cooper:
I really like the Roses de Jeanne and plan to keep buying this wine. I have been drinking it for about 3 years now.
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So, are the wines consistent in a Non Vintage way, or are they all very different depending on the vintage?
Are they all labeled N.D?
 
originally posted by guilhaume:
originally posted by Howard Cooper:
I really like the Roses de Jeanne and plan to keep buying this wine. I have been drinking it for about 3 years now.
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So, are the wines consistent in a Non Vintage way, or are they all very different depending on the vintage?
Are they all labeled N.D?
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I get offered the wine every December and have purchased the wine each of the last three Decembers. I have not noticed huge differences in the wines over the three groups I have purchased, but I don't sense that there is an attempt at a NV type of house style. I have only purchased the Roses de Jeanne (not the inflorescence) as the price is not that much higher. I did once taste a Rose by them that Randy McFarlane bought that was really terrific.

I have not looked at how the wines are labeled with respect to N.D. I bought originally on the recommendation of a retailer (Doug Rosen at Arrowine) and have continued to buy for the very simplistic reason that I have liked the wine.
 
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
It's like Rodin signing his talented protgs' work.
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who's work? me curious.
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originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Did he do that? (I mean, without the protege's name on it, too?)
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There is still confusion over whether some pieces are the work of Camille Claudel or of Rodin. But I recall reading (source lost to the sands of time) that he would give his imprimatur to certain stellar students by graciously bestowing his own signature on the piece. Hearsay, by now, since I can't confirm with quote.
 
I know a similar precedent in music. Scott Joplin was known to change a note or two and then allow an aspiring composer to approach music publishers with "a collaborative piece written by New Guy and Scott Joplin".
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
It's like Rodin signing his talented protgs' work.
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who's work? me curious.
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originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Did he do that? (I mean, without the protege's name on it, too?)
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There is still confusion over whether some pieces are the work of Camille Claudel or of Rodin. But I recall reading (source lost to the sands of time) that he would give his imprimatur to certain stellar students by graciously bestowing his own signature on the piece. Hearsay, by now, since I can't confirm with quote.
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would be interesting to see the pieces in question...was this an accepted part of the atelier system back then?
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
I know a similar precedent in music. Scott Joplin was known to change a note or two and then allow an aspiring composer to approach music publishers with "a collaborative piece written by New Guy and Scott Joplin".
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Many situations like that. All of Courbet's late oeuvre is a mess because he signed so many paintings by others; it's not possible to know which are really by him and which he signed in order to garner extra money by selling under his name.
 
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