Don't touch those 05s

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BJ
I really do know better, but was in a curious mood. A D Laurent Marsannay CdRoi (why do I have those) and a Lignier Passetoutgrains are just so dense and tight, they need 10 years. Just stay away.
 
I didn't know Laurent offered a Marsannay. Are they 200% oak?

Unusual to see a passetoutgrains that takes 10 years to come 'round.

Thanks for the warning.
 
I'm almost embarrassed to admit drinking a D Laurent here, but I have found his lesser cuvees to actually be free of oak (gotta do something with all those leftover barrels, I guess)...my issues with this wine were its insane density. It was almost more like a CNpape or burlier. Part of that was vintage, but this went into another league, really extracted.

A good Passetoutgrains from a good producer (Lafarge, Chevillon, Lignier) from a good year should be just perfect with 10 years.

And I would actually give the Marsannay more like 15 or 20. It really needs it.
 
Thanks for the tutoring on passetoutgrains, I had no clue. Bourgognes, perhaps, but ptg always makes me think of gamay, which, in turn, makes me think of weak quality and early drinking. I guess this is a silly prejudice, considering how much I like the chard-aligote blends in white grand ordinaires.

Laurent does seem to be low-caste with everyone except tanzer. I've only had one of his wines - 96 villages Gevrey - and that was a few years ago, so recollection is faint. I read one (I think German) chat guy write about how, despite the disdain, his wines tended to do well with age at blind (amateur) tastings, but maybe that's due to Matt Kraemer's large-bosom effect.

I've also read that he has moderated his oaking quite a bit in recent years.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
ptg always makes me think of gamay, which, in turn, makes me think of weak quality and early drinking.
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Watch out dude, the wrath of WD is about to descend upon you...
 
I was at a recent tasting of older D. Laurents. They were uniformly sucky and all cut from the same cloth. The oak had integrated but they were just not enjoyable.

The combo of the Tanzer review and the very low PC price in a weak moment sucked me into this.

I just pulled the bottle out of the fridge to take another taste. I drank none of it last night. There is more oak on this than I could get last night; it is showing itself a lot more clearly. It's quite complex with darker tone pinot fruit, and a decent amount of tannin and pucker. Closer to a Dehlinger than a Burgundy. Not for me, don't know what I was thinking here.
 
Brad, I'm pretty sure I've drank that same Laurent wine with similar results. Density is not really what I look for in Marsannay, but perhaps that's just '05...

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Matt Kraemer's large-bosom effect.
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I am not familiar with this effect.
 
originally posted by Brad L i l j e q u i s t:
Watch out dude, the wrath of WD is about to descend upon you...
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Whacky Doofus?

originally posted by Arjun Mendiratta:
I am not familiar with this effect.
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The effect of tasting rich, alcoholic, big-bodied wines along-side of elegant, light, finessed wines. The impression of the former tends to crowd out the impression of the latter, leading to poorer reviews for the latter. I think.
 
originally posted by Brad L i l j e q u i s t:

The combo of the Tanzer review and the very low PC price in a weak moment sucked me into this.
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I am, fortunately, completely immune to this. Prolly why I don't have as many cellar regrets, but I don't get any pleasant surprises either.
 
originally posted by Brad L i l j e q u i s t:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
ptg always makes me think of gamay, which, in turn, makes me think of weak quality and early drinking.
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Watch out dude, the wrath of WD is about to descend upon you...
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Beat me to it.
 
Laurent's lower appellation wines are marvellous in my experience, perhaps the best range in all Burgundy if one wants rich and supple Bourgognes, Santenays, Choreys and Marsannays, though I fully understand that not everyone does.
I suspect that it's unfair to judge the current wines by the state of vintages in which he was feeling his way. I've tasted quite a few disastrous 95s and 96s though 94 is a notable success here.
 
to go back to the initial premise, I must disagree with the vintage generalization. Truchot's 05 Bourgogne is delicious now. It will probably continue to be delicious for quite a number of years but it's truly good stuff now. Laurent, OTOH - well, that may be a different story.
 
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