2005 Maume wines?

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Rahsaan

Rahsaan
Has anyone tasted Maume's wines from 2005?

Is the Gevrey Chambertin 1er still based on young vines from Mazis?

Any insight?
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
It never was. It's a mixture of Perrires and Cherbaudes. Who said it was young Mazis?
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Dan Donahue, somewhere in the middle of this thread, in reference to the 91:

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But, I guess that's what I get for trusting people on the internet that I don't know! I assume you have more reliable information.

So, unless it is proprietary and in your newsletter (in which case I understand why you won't want to answer) did you taste this or the En Pallud in 05? What did you think? I hear the style is more forward these days but I'm assuming these 05 wines are probably not to be touched for many years? Even these 'lower' ones.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
It never was. It's a mixture of Perrires and Cherbaudes. Who said it was young Mazis?
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Dan Donahue, somewhere in the middle of this thread, in reference to the 91:

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www.wineloverspage.com

But, I guess that's what I get for trusting people on the internet that I don't know! I assume you have more reliable information.

So, unless it is proprietary and in your newsletter (in which case I understand why you won't want to answer) did you taste this or the En Pallud in 05? What did you think? I hear the style is more forward these days but I'm assuming these 05 wines are probably not to be touched for many years? Even these 'lower' ones.
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I don't know who Don Donahue is or where he could have gotten his information, but he is WRONG. I have been visiting Maume for nearly 20 years without having missed a vintage. Each year, when there, as anywhere when presented with a wine just labelled 1er cru, I ask what the blend is (or if I've been previously told, I ask if the blend is X just as it was in previous vintages). The 2005 Maume is about 2/3 Perrires, 1/3 Cherbaudes, even though the surface areas area about the same -- the Perrires was recently replanted and the Cherbaudes has very old vines, so the yields per vine are quite different. Vis--vis the Pallud in 2005, I think that they are about equal (Pallud is more power, 1er Cru is nervier, spicier), but Pallud has long shown that it was 1er Cru quality at village price. If I had to bet, I'd say the Pallud would mature earlier and not last as long, but who knows, especially with the mixture of young vines in the 1er Cru?

The style is more forward than in the past (and while I regret the movement away from the past in some senses, in others I don't -- a 1993 Lavaux St-Jacques a week or two ago showed inferior barrel quality on the finish). But 2005 is to hold, no matter where you buy from, for superior wines.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm: Vis--vis the Pallud in 2005, I think that they are about equal (Pallud is more power, 1er Cru is nervier, spicier), but Pallud has long shown that it was 1er Cru quality at village price. If I had to bet, I'd say the Pallud would mature earlier and not last as long, but who knows, especially with the mixture of young vines in the 1er Cru?
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Thanks for this.

Although in an ideal world it would be nice to have both for comparison sake, given the price difference between these two wines (I'm seeing $40 for En Pallud and $60 for GC 1er) and all the other stuff that I might want to age, this is a strong vote for the En Pallud. Plus the fact that I've liked the En Pallud in the past but never had the GC 1er.

I was just intrigued by this notion of 'baby' Mazis, but alas it was erroneous!
 
Yes, I bit on the story about the '91 1er--which I picked up from the internet, of course. Certainly first hand knowledge is more accurate, so I'm sure Claude is correct.

Still The '91 1er is a very good wine. If anyone purchased any based on the misinformation that I passed on, let me know and I'll take it off your hands.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
I was just intrigued by this notion of 'baby' Mazis, but alas it was erroneous!
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guess you'll have to satisfy yourself with mugneret-gibourg gevrey or de vogue chambolle 1er cru.
 
originally posted by maureen:guess you'll have to satisfy yourself with mugneret-gibourg gevrey or de vogue chambolle 1er cru.
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Are you referring to village wines from declassified famous vineyards?

I know about de Vogue but what's the story with Mugneret-Gibourg Gevrey?
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by maureen:guess you'll have to satisfy yourself with mugneret-gibourg gevrey or de vogue chambolle 1er cru.
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Are you referring to village wines from declassified famous vineyards?

I know about de Vogue but what's the story with Mugneret-Gibourg Gevrey?
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It be YV Ruchottes - since 2002(?)
 
originally posted by Dan Donahue:

Still The '91 1er is a very good wine. If anyone purchased any based on the misinformation that I passed on, let me know and I'll take it off your hands.
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Maume's 1991s are really super. The CG 1er is all very old vines (i.e., before the replantation of Perrires).
 
originally posted by bill nanson:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by maureen:guess you'll have to satisfy yourself with mugneret-gibourg gevrey or de vogue chambolle 1er cru.
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Are you referring to village wines from declassified famous vineyards?

I know about de Vogue but what's the story with Mugneret-Gibourg Gevrey?
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It be YV Ruchottes - since 2002(?)
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It's now back to be labelled Ruchottes, with the old vines being a separage vv cuve.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:It's now back to be labelled Ruchottes, with the old vines being a separage vv cuve.
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too bad - but the 2005 is one of the best I've tasted from that vintage (not that I've tasted all that many - by the time I got most of mine, reports were they had shut down) - anyway, I couldn't find any to buy so I have to content myself with the 2005 Ruchottes.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by bill nanson:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by maureen:guess you'll have to satisfy yourself with mugneret-gibourg gevrey or de vogue chambolle 1er cru.
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Are you referring to village wines from declassified famous vineyards?

I know about de Vogue but what's the story with Mugneret-Gibourg Gevrey?
Click to expand...
It be YV Ruchottes - since 2002(?)
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It's now back to be labelled Ruchottes, with the old vines being a separage vv cuve.
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Correcting myself, it's now labelled (beginning with 2007) Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru.
 
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