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07 Baudry Chinon Franc de Pied
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Kevin Roberts
Kevin Roberts
I remember reading that Breton Franc de Pied vines got phylloxed, killing all but a non-commercializable amount of vines was left. Or was that someone else? Now I don't know if I'm making shit up or not.
Some help I am...
Cheers,
Kevin
Some help I am...
Cheers,
Kevin
Keith Levenberg
Keith Levenberg
That's the story I've been hearing about Baudry since the '05 vintage, but there's always been a bit to be had. I seem to remember hearing similar about Joguet.originally posted by Kevin Roberts:
I remember reading that Breton Franc de Pied vines got phylloxed, killing all but a non-commercializable amount of vines was left. Or was that someone else?
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
That's the story I've been hearing about Baudry since the '05 vintage, but there's always been a bit to be had. I seem to remember hearing similar about Joguet.originally posted by Kevin Roberts:
I remember reading that Breton Franc de Pied vines got phylloxed, killing all but a non-commercializable amount of vines was left. Or was that someone else?
I've seen it with my own eyes. Phyloxera'd all to fuck. Maybe 2 rows left. Not much wine. Only goes to NYC and Durham, NC.
Mike Steinberger's new book is going to be about how Durham, NC is the food and wine center of the universe.
Bonjour Y'all: say HEY to Chinon and Pig!
Doug Padgett
Doug Padgett
Dude, Chinon and pig works for me. I'm thirsty for Chinon and suddenly possessed of a desire for Bullocks or, better yet, a quart of bbq from Pete Jones' Sky Light Inn in Ayden (collard greens capital of the world). Fall does this to me. Actually all seasons do this to me.
and to 7th & Folsom.originally posted by VLM:
I've seen it with my own eyes. Phyloxera'd all to fuck. Maybe 2 rows left. Not much wine. Only goes to NYC and Durham, NC.
Is everyone afraid of the search function around this thread?originally posted by Kevin Roberts:
I remember reading that Breton Franc de Pied vines got phylloxed, killing all but a non-commercializable amount of vines was left. Or was that someone else? Now I don't know if I'm making shit up or not.
Some help I am...
Cheers,
Kevin
originally posted by slaton:
Either that or we all leaned a little too hard on the 5-MeO and 2C-B in our youth.
Hey, what you got against DMT and MDA, Slaton? Variety is the spice of life, y'know. On a serious note (for a change), was 2C-B actually available on the street at some point? I only know it from an entertaining entry in PIKHAL.
Mark Lipton
Am I correct to recall that both Baudry and Breton's Franc de Pied bottlings are made from rather young vines?
Yep, You're not going to find any old vine Franc de Pied in France or any other part of Europe for that matter.
They say cockroaches will inherit the earth, I think they will be joined by the Phyloxera louse.
Keith Levenberg
Keith Levenberg
That's not true, there's plenty in Spain, Italy, Germany, and even some offbeat spots like Switzerland.,originally posted by JasonA:
Am I correct to recall that both Baudry and Breton's Franc de Pied bottlings are made from rather young vines?
Yep, You're not going to find any old vine Franc de Pied in France or any other part of Europe for that matter.
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
That's not true, there's plenty in Spain, Italy, Germany, and even some offbeat spots like Switzerland.,originally posted by JasonA:
Am I correct to recall that both Baudry and Breton's Franc de Pied bottlings are made from rather young vines?
Yep, You're not going to find any old vine Franc de Pied in France or any other part of Europe for that matter.
Give me some names, I'd love to try some.
Yeah, I stand corrected, I have had some, but give me some names anyway.
Actually, sounds like a good theme for another Levi dinner.
Steve Guattery
Steve Guattery
originally posted by Marc D:
originally posted by Steve Guattery:
originally posted by Bwood:
I might even be projecting a Breton Franc de Pied and Nuits d'Ivresse type experience on to this wine. Wouldn't be the first time.
Those I'd consider to be "drink now" wines.
Have you tried the 2005 version of Nuits d'Ivresse?
It has enough tannic structure to age, although there may be other factors involved that make that particular wine a drink now candidate.
The only Ivresse for which I have a note is the 2002. I've only tasted two other vintages, and I don't believe either was the 2005. All were enjoyable young.
As for the Franc de Pied, while I've thought some had enough tannin to support a little aging, I haven't found them youthfully difficult as I found the 2007 Baudry Franc de Pied (that's the only vintage of the Baudry that I've had). I've enjoyed the Breton Franc de Pied 2005, 2006, and 2007 young. If it weren't for the synthetic corks, I might put them away for a couple of years to see how they develop.
BTW, the 2007 Baudry Grezeaux is delicious and drinking very well at the moment. Pretty good acidity, red fruits typical of the vintage, and the tannin is there but not angry or drying. Ideal Chinon.
Good to know. Thanks.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Zachary Ross
Zachary Ross
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by slaton:
Either that or we all leaned a little too hard on the 5-MeO and 2C-B in our youth.
Hey, what you got against DMT and MDA, Slaton? Variety is the spice of life, y'know. On a serious note (for a change), was 2C-B actually available on the street at some point? I only know it from an entertaining entry in PIKHAL.
Mark Lipton
It was.
Kevin Roberts
Kevin Roberts
originally posted by slaton:
Either that or we all leaned a little too hard on the 5-MeO and 2C-B in our youth.
Sadly I've no excuses.
But if we could expand the search function to include blogs I read, phylloxera related Wine and Spirits articles, perhaps even the entire internet, my conjecture rate will decrease.
Thanks in advance.
Kevin
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Here is Keith's list.
Thanks and thank you Keith. It is interesting that, as you (Keith) point out, that many of these producers do not advertise or even make know that these wines or vines are on native root stock. I personally would would seek this information out and certainly be influenced to buy based on this information.
ClarkAnderson
ClarkAnderson
Red wine prevents aging, I think!
:-)
:-)
Another thanks to Keith. I've had some passing interest in wines produced from self-rooted vines. Here is Oregon it's relatively common (relative to other parts of the west coast) to have some self-rooted vines. The cooler climate has made phylloxera less of a pest than downy mildew.
Self-rooted vines are more common than one would think, as there are soil types the louse doesn't prefer. Sandy, slatey and volcanic soils don't tend to harbor much Phylloxera. This keeps areas of Spain, Sicily and Germany fairly safe. I'm not sure why there isn't more marketing around self-rooted vines, but perhaps its just too geeky for the average consumer.
To Keith's list I'd add Cameron Wines from Dundee. The Clos Electrique is mostly self-rooted, as is Charlie's Vineyard right next door.
Also, I have a couple bottles for Breton's Franc de Pied 2006 stashed. Real cork. I wasn't saving them for long, but I'll make sure to make a note when I open one.
Self-rooted vines are more common than one would think, as there are soil types the louse doesn't prefer. Sandy, slatey and volcanic soils don't tend to harbor much Phylloxera. This keeps areas of Spain, Sicily and Germany fairly safe. I'm not sure why there isn't more marketing around self-rooted vines, but perhaps its just too geeky for the average consumer.
To Keith's list I'd add Cameron Wines from Dundee. The Clos Electrique is mostly self-rooted, as is Charlie's Vineyard right next door.
Also, I have a couple bottles for Breton's Franc de Pied 2006 stashed. Real cork. I wasn't saving them for long, but I'll make sure to make a note when I open one.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Is there any predator of the phylloxera that we could cultivate (...without the cure being worse than the disease)?