So, what do people think of Cedric Bouchard?

originally posted by Levi Dalton:
Has anyone tried the "Important Stems" designed by Radiohead in collaboration with Cedric Bouchard?
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Eraserhead was too much for me. I play it safe with my old friends Bird and Prez.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
Has anyone tried the "Important Stems" designed by Radiohead in collaboration with Cedric Bouchard?
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Eraserhead was too much for me. I play it safe with my old friends Bird and Prez.
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In the end, a laudable strategy.
 
Weird coincidence about my other post.

I don't know if you guys remember what ended up being a very long thread about Radiohead on WT; it was my introductory statement about them. OK Computer was the disk that brought me in.

I continue to think they are fantastic. Since it seems we've gone all ratey on them (tho noone has offered up points), I still tend to think of OK Computer as my favorite, but the Bends certainly has more graunch and sturm und drang, what I'd like to listen to with the top down on Highway 395. But I was happy to see mention of Kid A, and specifically I would single out the Kid A track as being a singularly beautiful moment in our very whacked out, very messed up postmodern landscape. It one of their masterpieces.

Oh, and Levi, let's talk Godard any time. Though I'm enough of a lightweight that his later stuff is challenging. If we could bring in Bergman that would help me.
 
I know I didn't think to myself, "boy, this is such a game changing move" type of Champagne. Instead, I thought "this is good, I like this, this has something I look for in it". Not the same deal.
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The end result might not be but you have to admit 100% single vineyard, single vintage, tank fermented champs kinda is a game changing move...
just sayin.
 
originally posted by Brian C:
I know I didn't think to myself, "boy, this is such a game changing move" type of Champagne. Instead, I thought "this is good, I like this, this has something I look for in it". Not the same deal.
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The end result might not be but you have to admit 100% single vineyard, single vintage, tank fermented champs kinda is a game changing move...
just sayin.
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Really?

If only Prevost hadn't used barrels, I guess he could have been the game changer... oh, well.
 
You could throw in 100% no dosage as well. I dunno, it seems like a pretty strict regimen that you don't see too many people going for. I know a lot of wine makers make perhaps a couple wines in this style but not as a defining style for the entire house production. It seems to me somewhat novel.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
If only Prevost hadn't used barrels, I guess he could have been the game changer... oh, well.
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These are still very divisive things, even if here and there, growers are changing the traditional approach.

Prvost doesn't do away with the possibility of dosage. He also has a bit of chardonnay and pinot noir in with the meunier.
 
Right, but Bouchard vinifies 20 ares of La Prle separately, for instance. And 3.2 ares for Le Creux d'Enfer....

As long as we're splitting hairs.
 
You bring up an interesting point, though, in that there are different growers these days who are breaking with the previous ways of doing things. Single vintage, single variety, single plot. Or solera. Or new oak. Or zero dosage. Or lower pressure. Or no sulfur. Or ros de saigne. Or mix and match. It's the Mister Potato Head of little-guy Champagne today.

But they'll all still seem a little shifty to Monsieur Big House.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
You bring up an interesting point, though, in that there are different growers these days who are breaking with the previous ways of doing things. Single vintage, single variety, single plot. Or solera. Or new oak. Or zero dosage. Or lower pressure. Or no sulfur. Or ros de saigne. Or mix and match. It's the Mister Potato Head of little-guy Champagne today.

But they'll all still seem a little shifty to Monsieur Big House.
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I have way less experience with champagne than most people on this board so my opinions and are more based on what I've read rather than experienced in the glass. It seems like the past 10 years have seen a lot of exciting changes in the region with growers pushing the envelope in different directions. So maybe what Bouchard is doing is not game changing in the sense that no one else produces these types of wines. To employ all the standards that have been detailed in sharons and my comments, at once (I had forgot about single varietal), and to institute them house-wide as a defining wine making regimen...? It seems to me he is trying to do something different. I don't know of anyone else pushing that hard. So maybe not game changing per say (I can see your point Levi) but certainly helping to redefine a new idea of what champagne is. The proof is in the bottle though and that has obviously come to mixed reviews so...? I happened to have liked very much the one bottle I've had. But, no, it didn't turn my world upside down.

oh, and since I haven't been adaquately abused in my first couple posts and responses. A preemptive fuck you all.
And, thanks for the forum.
 
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