Newbie joins the fray

originally posted by The Wine Mule:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
Aha, so you're the Wine Mule!
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Wasn't ever a secret. Certain enterprising citizens here found the two names together on Asimov's blog.
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there is also internal evidence on this site.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Eden, I was into Creed Taylor for a while, but then the string-laden thing just got to be too much. The came Manfred Eicher, until that, too, got a bit tired. My dad was a Brazilian diplomat, so I didn't spend all that much time in Brazil growing up, so Wanderley fell into the same time warp/black hole as Bola Sete and Luis Bonf and a few others. And as an electric guitarist, I was too busy pining for the "other" (British and American rock n' roll) to pay as much attention as I should have to my own back yard. I was into Caetano Veloso and Gilberto Gil and Tropicalia, for sure, as well as Novos Baianos, Jorge Ben, Milton Nascimento and Chico Buarque, but Brazilian instrumentalists always seemed a bit crude compared to the level I was experiencing outside Brazil. And the more sophisticated harmonies of Jobim were a bit lost on me, with all those chords that were sublime for the melody but made improvising hell because they had already laid claim, it was said, to the best notes. I came to Sergio Mendes from the rock/fusion side because he wanted a more "modern" sound (ouch, you got me there) and I remember vividly sitting with him one day in his *********** listening to Every Breath You Take from The Police, which had just come out and zoomed to #1. Sergio was totally dismissive, saying something like "can you believe this elementary primitive garbage is a hit?" while I tred to explain to him that it was more about attitude and mood than the sorts of things he was conditioned to look for. He couldn't believe I was daring to disagree, but I thought that was part of my function.
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interesting stuff, Oswaldo! i too went thru a major manfred eicher phase ('77 - '83) and saw most of the musicians on the roster back then play live (i was near LA at the time)....and at least can thank manfred for bringing Egberto Gismonti and Nana Vasconcelos into my life then....though i too ended up tiring of it (the soaring spaciness that accompanied 99% of the ecm albums) and started looking for more edge, out there. still, it was a good run and the jazz and jazz rock musicians coming thru LA at the time were really something.

that's also interesting about Sergio's reaction to the Police hit...i suspect his "conditioning" would probably allow him to appreciate several Police tunes other than that particular one, but it is still sort of a "hello? this is pop, ya know" kind of moment for sure.
 
1982-4 were amazing years in the LA club scene, all those amazing studio musicians playing for $ during the day and for fun at night. My favorite guitarist was Robben Ford and I must have seen him thirty times...
 
for the sort of funkified fusion stuff, i had a soft spot for mike stern in miles' setting around that time. i liked robben ford's work on rickie lee jones' pop pop....(charlie haden was a great bassist pick for that album). unfortunately, i saw less of the studio musicians, cuz i was an hour east of LA in pomona, so we came into town for touring bands mostly: weather report, metheny at the roxy (american garage tour was a kick...house of the rising sun, wipeout etc.) brand x at the roxy, jorma k at the roxy, ornette, art ensemble of chicago, pharoah sanders, steve reich and on and on...damn those were great years.
 
speaking of creed taylor...he didn't do too bad with jimmy smith's christmas cookin' from '64! (on the stereo at the moment)....look ma, no strings! some nice guitar work on it too by wes, kenny and a guy named quentin warren
 
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
for the sort of funkified fusion stuff, i had a soft spot for mike stern in miles' setting around that time. i liked robben ford's work on rickie lee jones' pop pop....(charlie haden was a great bassist pick for that album). unfortunately, i saw less of the studio musicians, cuz i was an hour east of LA in pomona, so we came into town for touring bands mostly: weather report, metheny at the roxy (american garage tour was a kick...house of the rising sun, wipeout etc.) brand x at the roxy, jorma k at the roxy, ornette, art ensemble of chicago, pharoah sanders, steve reich and on and on...damn those were great years.
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Stern was amazing with Miles. Unbelievable that Parker and Hendrix could be combined. Metheny was awesome, when away from that horrendous guitar synth.

originally posted by Joel Stewart:
speaking of creed taylor...he didn't do too bad with jimmy smith's christmas cookin' from '64! (on the stereo at the moment)....look ma, no strings! some nice guitar work on it too by wes, kenny and a guy named quentin warren
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Gosh, you're making me feel too damn nostalgic! That's something I can't forgive.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
Novos Baianos! Sergio Mendes can't have liked Preta Pretinha (sp?) either.
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Wow, you don't cease to amaze. With this level of cosmopolitism, Besta Tu could become the new jibe of choice. Acabou Chorare is one of my alltime favorite albums and the title song is what I hum the most to my long suffering daughter:

Abelha, abelhinha...
Talvez pelo buraquinho, invadiu-me a casa, me acordou na cama
Tomou o meu corao e sentou na minha mo

Bee, little bee...
Maybe through the little peephole, you came into my home, woke me up in bed
Took my heart and sat yourself down upon my hand
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
25 pp received; will read later
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Good to know it's working. Forgot to mention that the report contains some (not so) arcana about which producer uses indigenous v. purchased yeasts, professed levels of total SO2 at time of bottling, floating v. submerged cap, botti v. barrique, old v. new oak, fermentation & maceration temperature limits, and other insane stuff.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
1982-4 were amazing years in the LA club scene, all those amazing studio musicians playing for $ during the day and for fun at night. My favorite guitarist was Robben Ford and I must have seen him thirty times...
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How old am I? I saw Robben Ford playing with Charlie Musselwhite.
 
originally posted by The Wine Mule:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
1982-4 were amazing years in the LA club scene, all those amazing studio musicians playing for $ during the day and for fun at night. My favorite guitarist was Robben Ford and I must have seen him thirty times...
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How old am I? I saw Robben Ford playing with Charlie Musselwhite.
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Lawd, and I saw him with Jimmy Witherspoon when he was 17 ytear old prodigy. I was into Weather Report at the time, so couldn't really appreciate it...
 
originally posted by BJ:
Hey Oswaldo, do you know Airto Moreira?
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Never met him, but have some of his albums. Love the story he tells of how he always wanted to play with Miles, so one day he went up to him backstage and said "Hi, I'm Airto, I love your music," to which Miles replied "Fuck off!" Airto, presciently disorderly, didn't let that discourage him, and went on to play with Miles.
 
originally posted by Larry Stein:
I still listen to Weather Report. Their music has never sounded dated to me.
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Awesome. I had a guitar teacher in the early 70s who said I Sing the Body Electric was the hippest thing he'd ever heard. I bought it, and it sounded like pure noise (I was, like 17). Not wanting to be unhip, I kept listening and listening until, one day, the penny dropped.
 
Have you guys ever listened to Larry Coryell's The Restful Mind? That is such a superb album.

I'm a big Airto fan. I recently saw him with Chick Corea and he was fantastic. I chatted with him after the show and he is a super guy. He hadn't seen the Cellar Door CD set which he signed for me. He is on my favorite Miles and Corea albums and it seems like the connection is not coindidental.
 
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