originally posted by SFJoe:
Seriously. It's not as though you'd made the stuff. One has to have a little distance from bottles beyond one's control.originally posted by Ned Hoey:
Which is the rarely discussed dark
underbelly of hipster wine, when you show up with a wine bad enough that it makes you look like a jackass. Not that a true hipster would care.
originally posted by lucertoran
If you know the wines from L'Ange Vin you will easily understand why the Grapperie's wines are like this.
Variation and supernaturalness are two terms you need to take in consideration when you drink these.
I have a lot of fun with these type of wines. I don t like the idea of perfection.
A "bad" bottle just encourage me to try again and again the fluid.It gives room for surprises as you open them again and again.
I have much respect for all these folks for being courageous and not taking in consideration the public's opinion.
La Grapperie is in activity since 04'....so we can give him some time to bring us more accomplished wines.
It seems that people on this board only drink high end stuff and and are easily prone to criticism.
We should all encourage him to pursue his work.
originally posted by Ned Hoey:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Seriously. It's not as though you'd made the stuff. One has to have a little distance from bottles beyond one's control.originally posted by Ned Hoey:
Which is the rarely discussed dark
underbelly of hipster wine, when you show up with a wine bad enough that it makes you look like a jackass. Not that a true hipster would care.
It was just annoying.
originally posted by lucertoran
If you know the wines from L'Ange Vin you will easily understand why the Grapperie's wines are like this.
Variation and supernaturalness are two terms you need to take in consideration when you drink these.
I have a lot of fun with these type of wines. I don t like the idea of perfection.
A "bad" bottle just encourage me to try again and again the fluid.It gives room for surprises as you open them again and again.
I have much respect for all these folks for being courageous and not taking in consideration the public's opinion.
La Grapperie is in activity since 04'....so we can give him some time to bring us more accomplished wines.
It seems that people on this board only drink high end stuff and and are easily prone to criticism.
We should all encourage him to pursue his work.
My irritation derived from the sharp dis-connect between the email offer and the bottle I opened.
Deep fruit and old vine intensity were there, but it was SO marked by green stemmy bitterness and green peppers that it erased any possibility of enjoyment. The longer it was open the worse it got. I'm not sure that's a bottle variation thing.Maybe not a variation bottle.But the guy is working there for only five years and it might be hard to achieve greatness in such a short time period.
Regarding "messengers":we had couple opportunities to buy some grey market wines in the past but never did for a simple reason: how can you trust all the people who handle the wine?
Great example was some Huet's wine last year. Bought in france ,shipped in Belgium,sent to Texas and then to California.You never know how people are handling the products.When some wine are delicate they do not support travelling that well,but you all know .
We should ask the great and only Sharon to give us some feed back on that cuvee to see if it taste the same way over there.
In this case I'm supportive of the producer for the reasons you point out, but uncertain about the
messenger.
originally posted by lucertoran:
But the guy is working there for only five years and it might be hard to achieve greatness in such a short time period.
originally posted by Rahsaan:
This issue of 'expecting greatness/goodness' and supporting struggling winemakers is a tough one. Of course all of us want to preserve diversity in the wine world and none of us want everything to devolve into only having McDonaldized Options available.
But we also want to enjoy the wines on some level and only the very very rich can afford to consider themselves Patron of the Winemakers.
The rest of us will have to be content with doing our part to preserve diversity by supporting winemakers like Marc Ollivier, JP Brun, Eric Texier, Jean Foillard, etc, etc, etc, who make good (if different) wine every vintage.
'Cherry pickers' who float from Highly Acclaimed Vintages and Cuvees to Highly Acclaimed Vintages and Cuvees are one thing, but those of us who want good wine are another. And if the Grapperie folks are making mis-fermented science experiments I don't see why we should be funding the effort. In that sense, competition is a good thing!
And unlike other 'arts', I don't see how these Mis-Fermented Folks are pushing any envelopes or adding to our collective knowledge or appreciation about wine. Because the names above are doing a pretty darn good job of that by making wine that tastes good.
What a concept!
???It seems that people on this board only drink high end stuff
originally posted by lucertoran:
I don t like the idea of perfection.
A "bad" bottle just encourage me to try again and again the fluid.It gives room for surprises as you open them again and again.
Joyeuses Fetes Eric.originally posted by Brzme:
originally posted by lucertoran:
I don t like the idea of perfection.
A "bad" bottle just encourage me to try again and again the fluid.It gives room for surprises as you open them again and again.
I should work on that concept. Very Kantian though.
How many bottles would you consider worth trying before you get one drinkable?
Maybe pulling off thousands of ha of vineyards is not the good solution after all...
originally posted by lucertoran:
These supernatural products helped me to understand VA,brett,piqure lactique...
Ah, so brand loyalty is encouraged by the unpredictable and inconsistent quality of the product. I understand perfectly.originally posted by lucertoran:
A "bad" bottle just encourage me to try again and again the fluid.It gives room for surprises as you open them again and again.
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Ah, so brand loyalty is encouraged by the unpredictable and inconsistent quality of the product. I understand perfectly.originally posted by lucertoran:
A "bad" bottle just encourage me to try again and again the fluid.It gives room for surprises as you open them again and again.
Do you mean scratch & sniff books for kids???originally posted by Seth Hill:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Ah, so brand loyalty is encouraged by the unpredictable and inconsistent quality of the product. I understand perfectly.originally posted by lucertoran:
A "bad" bottle just encourage me to try again and again the fluid.It gives room for surprises as you open them again and again.
Ah, to live in a world where such sentiment would bring people into my shop asking whether we carried certain wines, rather than to ask if we sell scratch tickets.
originally posted by Yixin:
Must have been a bad bottle. Snigger.
originally posted by lucertoran:
Joyeuses Fetes Eric.originally posted by Brzme:
originally posted by lucertoran:
I don t like the idea of perfection.
A "bad" bottle just encourage me to try again and again the fluid.It gives room for surprises as you open them again and again.
I should work on that concept. Very Kantian though.
How many bottles would you consider worth trying before you get one drinkable?
Maybe pulling off thousands of ha of vineyards is not the good solution after all...
Sometimes the "drinkable" bottle never shows up, but the interesting point is to find the different "imperfections" on each bottle.Hard to drink two O.Cousin bottles that have the very same expression.
Moi j adore etre surpris.I think that s why I enjoy these type of wine.....they are subject to change in a more dramatic way than any other one. So I think I know the wine but every bottle has something different to express.If I like wine it is certainly for this reason.I am not a vigneron so I never say this or that is shit.
These supernatural products helped me to understand VA,brett,piqure lactique...
Et tout le monde n a pas le meme talent et n a pas la chance de travailler avec les memes parametres.
Montrons nous un peu plus indulgent....je pense que c est ca que le sang du christ nous apprend!!!!(haha)
originally posted by Brzme:
originally posted by lucertoran:
I don t like the idea of perfection.
A "bad" bottle just encourage me to try again and again the fluid.It gives room for surprises as you open them again and again.
I should work on that concept. Very Kantian though.
How many bottles would you consider worth trying before you get one drinkable?
Maybe pulling off thousands of ha of vineyards is not the good solution after all...